can clip envelopes only decrease (0%-100%) vst parameters?

jwhiting · Post by **jwhiting** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:52 am

I want to have a few different clips on a track with a VST instrument, and set, say, the filter cutoff to different values for each clip.

It seems for this to actually work, I have to manually set the cutoff on the VST to the maximum value, and then the clips can set it anywhere below that.

However, if I twiddle the knob or anything, the clips now operate at percentages of the twiddled (lower) value, so I have to keep resetting it to max.

Do I have to manually set all vst params to max that I want to modify from clips, and always exert this effort to not twiddle and/or keep them at max after twiddling?

A related question is, if the clip is relative to the current VST value, why does it only do 0-100% of the value instead of also letting me *add* to the value?

I think I might be missing something. Help/tips much appreciated!

nobbystylus · Post by **nobbystylus** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:13 pm

you have just discovered the difference between relative automation (modulation) in the session view, and absolute automation (in the arrange view)... its a much debated topic on the forums...

Idonotlikebroccoli · Post by **Idonotlikebroccoli** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:02 pm

This annoys me as well. Also, there is no on/off automation in clip view. I find that somewhat limiting.

jwhiting · Post by **jwhiting** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:03 am

gotcha.

so that's the behavior by design and whether it's a "good idea" is debatable. in some cases, like track volume, this seems to be really useful, but for VST parameters like cutoff, not so much.

thanks for the tip.

jwhiting · Post by **jwhiting** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:21 am

ah. some kind of solution is clearly on the wishlist:

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=51908

thanks again