assignable x y control

fumanchu · Post by **fumanchu** » Tue May 01, 2007 9:23 pm

I have a simple question. Is there a way to assign x/y assignable in LIVe to an external MIDI controler which wouldb be sebding x/y CC messages for example Lemur or similar. Thank you.

Michael-SW · Post by **Michael-SW** » Tue May 01, 2007 10:07 pm

Nope. The X/Y "pads" in Live is only for mouse control. You can of course assign the individual parameters to any midi controller and do even more clever stuff with racks and automapping, but not with Live's X/Ys.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Tue May 01, 2007 10:21 pm

Michael-SW wrote:Nope. The X/Y "pads" in Live is only for mouse control. You can of course assign the individual parameters to any midi controller and do even more clever stuff with racks and automapping, but not with Live's X/Ys.

Uhhhh... what X/Y pad in Live? The grain delay? (I think that's the one, I don't have Live in front of me.) I think I disagree Michael.

Tip: ANYTHING that changes color when you hit the MIDI learn button at the top right of Live is midi assignable. ANYTHING and EVERYTHING.

Michael-SW · Post by **Michael-SW** » Wed May 02, 2007 9:20 am

Tone Deft wrote: Uhhhh... what X/Y pad in Live? The grain delay? (I think that's the one, I don't have Live in front of me.) I think I disagree Michael.

Tip: ANYTHING that changes color when you hit the MIDI learn button at the top right of Live is midi assignable. ANYTHING and EVERYTHING.

All (!) VSTs in Live (and Live's built in effects) get a small X/Y "pad" (black with a yellow dot) that you can assign two parameters to. Surprised that you haven't noticed..

People have been asking for ages to assign that pad to a controller, ie the pad is assigned in X/Y regardless if you change the parameters in Live. That isn't possible. You can however assign any actual parameter to midi of course.

corygilbert · Post by **corygilbert** » Wed May 02, 2007 4:05 pm

to be clear, lives built in effects reside in the clip/track edit area under either the session views slots or the arrange page. Their controls stay in this area and the native effects do not have the xy (excluding grain delay of course)
when you load a vst/au 3rd party effect, the box for that effect in the area mentioned above contains an xy that can be assigned. The effects gui is opened from this box and floats over whatever view you're in.
If this person hasn't used any 3rd party vsts before then he never would have seen this xy.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Wed May 02, 2007 5:20 pm

Michael-SW wrote:
Tone Deft wrote: Uhhhh... what X/Y pad in Live? The grain delay? (I think that's the one, I don't have Live in front of me.) I think I disagree Michael.

Tip: ANYTHING that changes color when you hit the MIDI learn button at the top right of Live is midi assignable. ANYTHING and EVERYTHING.
All (!) VSTs in Live (and Live's built in effects) get a small X/Y "pad" (black with a yellow dot) that you can assign two parameters to. Surprised that you haven't noticed..

People have been asking for ages to assign that pad to a controller, ie the pad is assigned in X/Y regardless if you change the parameters in Live. That isn't possible. You can however assign any actual parameter to midi of course.

Oh yeah, duuhhh...
I've seen it, never used it. I can never settle on just two things to tweak, I'd rather automap or do a quick midi assign.

If one were to assign filter and resonance (for example) to the SL touchpad then put filter and resonance on the XY pad would that be a way to fake mapping to the XY? It seems the XY graphics would still change as you touched the touch pad.

Dit-duh-duh!!!!

Michael-SW · Post by **Michael-SW** » Wed May 02, 2007 5:49 pm

Tone Deft wrote: If one were to assign filter and resonance (for example) to the SL touchpad then put filter and resonance on the XY pad would that be a way to fake mapping to the XY? It seems the XY graphics would still change as you touched the touch pad.

Dit-duh-duh!!!!

That would work perfectly fine, but if you change to some other param (say cutoff and wet on X/Y or something) then the X/Y pad wouldn't make sense anymore. Thus the question if you could assign the X/Y independently of the params. Which you can't unfortunately.

synnack · Post by **synnack** » Wed May 02, 2007 7:41 pm

If you have a controller with an x/y pad you can use it with anything in ableton though as shown here:

http://www.novationmusic.com/product.as ... &bArchive=

"using the touch pad"

JamieG · Post by **JamieG** » Wed May 02, 2007 8:20 pm

I use my Kaoss pad to do this, its interesting cos you can assign an effect(s) in Live and use a Kaoss Pad effect at the same time. KP2 or 3 will let you do this!

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Wed May 02, 2007 8:37 pm

tempus3r wrote:If you have a controller with an x/y pad you can use it with anything in ableton though as shown here:

http://www.novationmusic.com/product.as ... &bArchive=

"using the touch pad"

Nice video, thanks!

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Wed May 02, 2007 9:18 pm

hahahahaa, the way he set that up in that video seems sooooo tedious.

my kaoss pad, I reassigned it's midi cc's and told ableton it's a "bcr2000" and now it automaps to the first 5 parameters of any rack.

alot easier than what the dude did in the video (go back into our sl and turn this off and turn this on now go back into ableton and go back into midi assign mode and go back to our filter plugin...)

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Wed May 02, 2007 9:26 pm

Johnisfaster wrote:hahahahaa, the way he set that up in that video seems sooooo tedious.

my kaoss pad, I reassigned it's midi cc's and told ableton it's a "bcr2000" and now it automaps to the first 5 parameters of any rack.

alot easier than what the dude did in the video (go back into our sl and turn this off and turn this on now go back into ableton and go back into midi assign mode and go back to our filter plugin...)

I think you're missing the point, what he did was just to isolate the X1, X2, Y1, Y2 controls so when you touch the pad it only sends 1 control (I guess, I haven't tried this yet.)

Probably the easier way would be to hit a parameter, touch the pad and get X1, X2, Y1, Y2 control then delete the ones you don't want.

FWIW...
The SL maps like the BCR, you don't have to do that every time, I've been automapping with the SL from its release and have never done that.

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Wed May 02, 2007 9:30 pm

Tone Deft wrote:
Johnisfaster wrote:hahahahaa, the way he set that up in that video seems sooooo tedious.

my kaoss pad, I reassigned it's midi cc's and told ableton it's a "bcr2000" and now it automaps to the first 5 parameters of any rack.

alot easier than what the dude did in the video (go back into our sl and turn this off and turn this on now go back into ableton and go back into midi assign mode and go back to our filter plugin...)
I think you're missing the point, what he did was just to isolate the X1, X2, Y1, Y2 controls so when you touch the pad it only sends 1 control (I guess, I haven't tried this yet.)

Probably the easier way would be to hit a parameter, touch the pad and get X1, X2, Y1, Y2 control then delete the ones you don't want.

FWIW...
The SL maps like the BCR, you don't have to do that every time, I've been automapping with the SL from its release and have never done that.

no no I know what the point was, I'm just saying that the way he did it was pretty cumbersome.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Wed May 02, 2007 9:35 pm

Yeah, it was like watching my mom use the internet... JUST... CLICK... THE... BUTTON...

Mostly just bullshitting around, finally caught up at work and bored, so you guys have to suffer the asshole.

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Wed May 02, 2007 9:40 pm

on a sidenote, why are there like 20 people logged into the ableton board right now?

it's almost like it's beta release time or something.