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Post by smartass303 » Thu May 03, 2007 11:48 am

Sheesh,
i thought you are sociophobic.
But then again i think its just a cat! Maybe im cruel or an asshole, but i would never ever would pay THAT FRIGGIN MUCH for a two year old, sick cat or dog or any other animal.
They are cute and everything, but in the end i`m eating meat, wearing Leather (and fur :twisted: ), and stuff... the cat could also be a nice scarf or cat sandwich you know?

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Post by john gordon » Thu May 03, 2007 12:46 pm

smartass303 wrote:Sheesh,
i thought you are sociophobic.
But then again i think its just a cat! Maybe im cruel or an asshole, but i would never ever would pay THAT FRIGGIN MUCH for a two year old, sick cat or dog or any other animal.
They are cute and everything, but in the end i`m eating meat, wearing Leather (and fur :twisted: ), and stuff... the cat could also be a nice scarf or cat sandwich you know?

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well next time you go to walmart and buy some fur maybe you should think about this video first.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64IWFAN4orY

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Post by smartass303 » Thu May 03, 2007 1:03 pm

Boring,
AND im so poor i can`t afford any fur... I know that everyone finds wearing fur nasty but leather is ok, why?
Maybe because *furry* animals look cuter than cows? i dont know... (and dont care)

For fullon fucked-upness check this:
http://www.we-feed-the-world.at/en/index.htm

These are the problems we ALL have to face. That was just a (special for you but nonetheless) single cat!

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Post by 4am » Thu May 03, 2007 1:12 pm

smartass303 wrote: Maybe because *furry* animals look cuter than cows? i dont know... (and dont care)
mmmhh........maybe because we eat cows?

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Post by forge » Thu May 03, 2007 2:02 pm

Johnisfaster wrote:
Machinesworking wrote:
Johnisfaster wrote:I'm pretty sure there was cancer on the planet long before people ever did anything to the environment. though I can't back that up and no one else could either of course but I think your cat was likely to catch cancer in the woods just as much as in your house.
You have cancer right now, every living organism has a few errant cells, it's irritants and contaminants that cause a creature that otherwise would not generate more than a few to generate tens of thousands and get cancer. That, my friend is a by product of our technological society.
things like being encased in an electrical field, eating pesticide laden food, and breathing air that has a higher concentration of pollution etc. all this adds up to the higher cancer rates we see in the post industrial age. of course just like the cigarette companies, there are powerful people with a vested interest in keeping environmental regulations loose.

Point is I adopt a cat, I choose to keep us in the industrial part of town, and even smoked around her for her first few years, then I need to take responsibility for her care when she suffers the consequences of my behavior. It's the right thing to do I think.
I don't know how much you've studied cancer but I'm pretty damn sure not everyone has cancerous cells just running around their body at all times. I could be wrong about that but I've had lengthy discussions about cancer with my fiance who is in her 3rd year of nursing school ( I know shes not an expert or anything ) but I have a mild understanding of how it works. Though like I said I could be wrong about that.

though I won't really argue about what you feel is right to do. I'm just one of those jerks who thinks "it's just a cat" even though I care about my cat and would be upset about it the thought of spending thousands on surgery for it is like "are you kidding? he's just a cat"
I can understand the feeling - I grew up with cats and they have alot of personality, but I wouldnt fork out the dough - well, that's mainly because there is no way in hell I could - that kind of money is a fantasy for us - the car would have to be serviced first to even earn the money for US to eat

as for the cancer thing - while I have *suspicions* that modern lifestyle probably does contribute, I actually think life is pretty damn resilient and it's incredibly difficult to say "the incidences of cancer has shot up dramatically in the last 50 years" without also acknowledging that the population of the world has grown more than it has in the history of humans, so it's hard to tell

plus the added dimension that medicine and the use of it was nowhere near what it is now and there was probably still a huge chunk of the population in 1957 that would never have even known they had cancer - just died of "natural causes" - you didnt go for scans willy nilly like we do now in 1957

so these things are very hard to test

I personally believe the will of living things is a much bigger factor in the preservation of life anyway

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Post by forge » Thu May 03, 2007 2:26 pm

Tone Deft wrote:
Johnisfaster wrote:it's awesome that you're selling your gear to save your cat. but if my cat said "dude I'm sick" I'd say to him "it's been really nice knowing you"
Were you the dude who got freaked when his cat split after you moved houses?

This thread is worthless without Confuse-A-Cat
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: OMG brilliant - I cant believe I havent seen that one!

even better because it lead me to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ell08MCXns

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Post by Kodama » Thu May 03, 2007 2:57 pm

Sibanger wrote:
In Australia cats destroy our native wildlife like nothing else. They are just too good at what they do. Sorta like sharks on land.
Hey, gotta respect their will and ability to survive. Pitty our native wildlife can't fight back too well.

And people were the ones imported the cats to OZ thinking that they would only kill the things that they didn't want around.

yet another collective human brain fart.
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Post by b0unce » Thu May 03, 2007 3:06 pm

which people ?
it wasnt the aboriginees

yet another fart that can be attributed to imperialist britain, to be a wee bit more exact...

if a cow could do this, without ruining my piano and shitting on the floor....she probably wouldnt taste so good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ860P4i ... ed&search=
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Post by Machinesworking » Thu May 03, 2007 3:14 pm

forge wrote:
Johnisfaster wrote:
Machinesworking wrote: You have cancer right now, every living organism has a few errant cells, it's irritants and contaminants that cause a creature that otherwise would not generate more than a few to generate tens of thousands and get cancer. That, my friend is a by product of our technological society.
things like being encased in an electrical field, eating pesticide laden food, and breathing air that has a higher concentration of pollution etc. all this adds up to the higher cancer rates we see in the post industrial age. of course just like the cigarette companies, there are powerful people with a vested interest in keeping environmental regulations loose.

Point is I adopt a cat, I choose to keep us in the industrial part of town, and even smoked around her for her first few years, then I need to take responsibility for her care when she suffers the consequences of my behavior. It's the right thing to do I think.
I don't know how much you've studied cancer but I'm pretty damn sure not everyone has cancerous cells just running around their body at all times. I could be wrong about that but I've had lengthy discussions about cancer with my fiance who is in her 3rd year of nursing school ( I know shes not an expert or anything ) but I have a mild understanding of how it works. Though like I said I could be wrong about that.

though I won't really argue about what you feel is right to do. I'm just one of those jerks who thinks "it's just a cat" even though I care about my cat and would be upset about it the thought of spending thousands on surgery for it is like "are you kidding? he's just a cat"
I can understand the feeling - I grew up with cats and they have alot of personality, but I wouldnt fork out the dough - well, that's mainly because there is no way in hell I could - that kind of money is a fantasy for us - the car would have to be serviced first to even earn the money for US to eat

as for the cancer thing - while I have *suspicions* that modern lifestyle probably does contribute, I actually think life is pretty damn resilient and it's incredibly difficult to say "the incidences of cancer has shot up dramatically in the last 50 years" without also acknowledging that the population of the world has grown more than it has in the history of humans, so it's hard to tell

plus the added dimension that medicine and the use of it was nowhere near what it is now and there was probably still a huge chunk of the population in 1957 that would never have even known they had cancer - just died of "natural causes" - you didnt go for scans willy nilly like we do now in 1957

so these things are very hard to test

I personally believe the will of living things is a much bigger factor in the preservation of life anyway
OK neither of you have much of a clue about cancer, environmental impact, and what sort of studies have been done.

Just a quick overhaul.

Modern medicine has prolonged life, but cancer rates for people under the age of 50 have gone through the roof.

Infertility rates have gone up in industrialized populations.

The background radiation of the planet has increased 400 times since 1945, and cancer rates have risen accordingly.

Cigarette smoking is a great example of the kind of argument you two are giving. You deny that any test can prove that something causes cancer whether or not the evidence is overwhelming.

Like I said, modern technology has prolonged human life in general, but it's pretty obvious to anybody who looks at the statistics that people living in the country with decent access to hospitals etc. eating a more natural diet, live MUCH longer, and stay healthier, period.

Forge, you still smoking cigs? your logic sort of points in that direction! :P

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Post by b0unce » Thu May 03, 2007 3:15 pm

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Post by Kodama » Thu May 03, 2007 3:35 pm

Machinesworking wrote: Infertility rates have gone up in industrialized populations.
8)
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Post by forge » Thu May 03, 2007 3:58 pm

b0unce wrote:which people ?
it wasnt the aboriginees

yet another fart that can be attributed to imperialist britain, to be a wee bit more exact...
Ironically the Aborigines brought Dogs to Australia and it had a similar effect

Humans came to Australia somewhere between 120 and 60 thousand years ago, but the marsupials living here had been here more like the millions of years - but there were also those mega-fauna big fuckoff marsupials (they no shit had Kangaroos as big as a car some time after the dinosaurs - other massive things too)

but anyway, the first Australians brought DOgs with them and made a pretty massive impact because Australia was the only place on earth without any decent predators to speak of so the fluffy little marupials had a fun time for many millennia, but what you say is really about humans, not British

we're all cunts as far as the planet's concerned
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Post by Dubreak » Thu May 03, 2007 4:03 pm

john gordon wrote:
Kodama wrote:Aww man, you're doing a good thing.

I wish I could buy some of that, but I'm moving across state.

Maybe if you post a paypal account link, some of us could shoot you a little $ ?
i just got some good news.my vet called and said that the antibiotics he is on should take care of the little guy in a few weeks.i guess he has ecoli.the other day he was crying and almost passing out.i guess his bladder filled up and he couldnt piss.if i would have waited another few hours to take him to the vet he would be dead.they had to do surgery on him in the emergency room thus making it so expensive.
he is home now,but cant pee in his litter box at the moment.i have no idea why.... he just pisses all over the floor now.lol gotta love him....
Oh god 8O

Post the paypal link already, jeez....

:lol: :wink:

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Post by b0unce » Thu May 03, 2007 4:03 pm

ya you're right forge,
however I'm obliged to take a dig at the british empire any chance I get :wink:
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Post by forge » Thu May 03, 2007 4:17 pm

b0unce wrote:ya you're right forge,
however I'm obliged to take a dig at the british empire any chance I get :wink:
well you'd be proud, I got "the hostage" by Brendan Behan out of the library today, it's one I used to have but never read - my dad gave it to me but i cant find that one - he even painted a picture of him and gave it to me (he was a painter) so I had to at least read it, so I finally got it

Really into it so far he's a funny bastard

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