sound issues with final mix

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Syntheme
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Post by Syntheme » Sat May 05, 2007 5:55 pm

you can you volume ducking on the bass manually (using volume envelopes). you have a lot more control than using a compressor (though if your kick drum is a more complex than 4-on-the-floor you'll have a lot of work!).

you could try eq ducking too. I tried this once and it sort of worked ok . (using autofilter on high pass - use envelopes to raise the cutoff freq when the kicks are kicking)

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Post by queglay » Sun May 06, 2007 4:47 am

well theres a few ways to handle the whole track in general. to begin with make sure you bass and kick are sending out mono samples. you can either throw a mono utility over the top chossing either the left or right channel (or mix both) its amazing how different they can sometimes sound in a base sample. or you can just downconvert the sample to mono in the first place.

you then can have another layer of your base instrument with a high pass filter adding whatever stereo effects (or do whatever you want)- this can add your ultra wide stereo image to the synth.

generaly you should make sure that there aren't any other frequencies being sent that low by your other instruments by putting a high pass filter on everything else. this also helps clear the way for those big air moving LF sounds.

a good way to check it all is with the free voxengo span plugin - you can get a spectral image of seperate left and right channels.
another way is you can also use an effects rack - a low pass on one layer and a high pass on another at around the same frequency. on the low pass layer you then just apply your mono utility.
using lives filters can be hard to achieve this without colouring (still searching for a suitable vst for this). ive heard cubases filters are good at this though.
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Post by ethios4 » Mon May 28, 2007 10:11 pm

queglay wrote:
ethios4 wrote:Also, make sure there is no conlfict between the kick and bass by using sidechain compression to duck the bass when the kick hits, or by careful EQing of the kick and bass so they are not stepping on each other's frequencies.
hey is it possible to use side chain compression on compressors that are better than the live one?

like urs or sonalksis plugins or sojmething?
Nebulae recommended Twisted Lemon's Sidekick. I find it works quite well...it's nice because you can have one kick sidechaining multiple tracks. Only problem I've run into is that the sidechain compression does not work with freezing. Of course, with other sidechain plugins wher you actually use the I/O in Live, you wouldn't be able to freeze anyway.

I also like Vanilla Compressor because it has a little better conotrl of the compression response. The problem here is that the sidechain has to be turned on everytime the set is opened, for some reason.

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Post by queglay » Tue May 29, 2007 2:09 am

ok cool ill try them out. so do you know if the urs or sonlksis ones do or dont work with sidechaining in live? i already own them thats all.
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Post by ethios4 » Tue May 29, 2007 2:27 am

I don't know about the urs plugins, but the Sonalksis SV-315 Mk2 does have an external sidechain input that should work in Live. Do you know how to setup sidechaining in Live?

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Post by queglay » Tue May 29, 2007 8:15 am

ive seen it in the manual, but never used it.
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