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Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Wed May 30, 2007 3:26 pm

Interestingly Surface is more that just multi-touch, it does 3d image recognition too using 4 IR cameras. It recognises the object placed on the surface and gives contextual data from that object.

here's a non MS video (of surface in action)

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol ... 17348.html

not loving the latency, but I guess that will improve as more people compete.

forge · Post by **forge** » Wed May 30, 2007 3:36 pm

things are starting to get interesting

I seriously think in 5 years we will laugh at the mouse and keyboard

it's fucking ridiculous that people in their 20s are getting RSI

BTW - looks like Microsoft either found Jeff Hans price (remember he turned Apple down) or they figured out a way of ripping him off legally

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Wed May 30, 2007 3:38 pm

forge wrote:

things are starting to get interesting

I seriously think in 5 years we will laugh at the mouse and keyboard

it's fucking ridiculous that people in their 20s are getting RSI

BTW - looks like Microsoft either found Jeff Hans price (remember he turned Apple down) or they figured out a way of ripping him off legally

i really wanna answer this... ... no ripping off going on from what i heard.

rbmonosylabik · Post by **rbmonosylabik** » Wed May 30, 2007 3:45 pm

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Wed May 30, 2007 4:13 pm

sweetjesus wrote:
forge wrote:

things are starting to get interesting

I seriously think in 5 years we will laugh at the mouse and keyboard

it's fucking ridiculous that people in their 20s are getting RSI

BTW - looks like Microsoft either found Jeff Hans price (remember he turned Apple down) or they figured out a way of ripping him off legally
i really wanna answer this... ... no ripping off going on from what i heard.

Indeed, this tech has been around a while. Jeff Han has said as much when interviewed (prior to this), he simply said " we were the first to show something that sparked peoples imaginations". He also said he know other people were working on it. FTIR is used widely in other areas, EG in fingerprint recognition.
It's all in the public domain, hardware, software. Whatever Apple would like to believe.

See my other 'DIY multi-touch' thread if you want to build your own

corygilbert · Post by **corygilbert** » Wed May 30, 2007 4:20 pm

sounds great! I wonder if you'll need to install new drivers for every new finger you want to use with it?

rbmonosylabik · Post by **rbmonosylabik** » Wed May 30, 2007 4:25 pm

New Finger Found!

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...

HEY, THAT'S NOT A FINGER!!!

alvaro · Post by **alvaro** » Wed May 30, 2007 4:53 pm

Considering the size of some GUI elements that Live has, and the aiming skills we all have adquired over the years, i think taht an effective touch screen might be very very larger than any conventional screen, 24" or longer. Just like the table shown in the video.

How could you manage a such small 13" screen elements with your fingers? Its just crazy...

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Wed May 30, 2007 5:18 pm

I like the size of Jeff Han's current setup. The 'screen' is about 4 feet high by about 12 feet wide. Big enough for a band to use!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysEVYwa-vHM

forge · Post by **forge** » Wed May 30, 2007 5:20 pm

Angstrom wrote:I like the size of Jeff Han's current setup. The 'screen' is about 4 feet high by about 12 feet wide. Big enough for a band to use!

my whole objective is to have some kind of music creation coputer that feels as intuitve as a real instrument like a guitar or piano

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Wed May 30, 2007 5:22 pm

forge wrote:
Angstrom wrote:I like the size of Jeff Han's current setup. The 'screen' is about 4 feet high by about 12 feet wide. Big enough for a band to use!
my whole objective is to have some kind of music creation coputer that feels as intuitve as a real instrument like a guitar or piano

we need some haptics in the mix for that. I've not seen anything that combined both multi-touch and haptics yet.

although I've not taken a look at the haptics scene for a year or more.

forge · Post by **forge** » Wed May 30, 2007 5:52 pm

Angstrom wrote:
forge wrote:
Angstrom wrote:I like the size of Jeff Han's current setup. The 'screen' is about 4 feet high by about 12 feet wide. Big enough for a band to use!
my whole objective is to have some kind of music creation coputer that feels as intuitve as a real instrument like a guitar or piano
we need some haptics in the mix for that. I've not seen anything that combined both multi-touch and haptics yet.

although I've not taken a look at the haptics scene for a year or more.

actually, I've been specifically interested in this stuff lately, talking about Jeff Han's setup alot thnking about how it can integrate with sound/music and I had no idea Microsoft had something like this on the cards

I'd say there's a good chance someone somewhere is working on a hybrid of this and haptics

5 years I give it and these types of things will be common

longjohns · Post by **longjohns** » Thu May 31, 2007 2:11 am

somehow in the 2nd photoshop pic that lady seems to have acquired a festering sore on the left side of her mouth...

longjohns · Post by **longjohns** » Thu May 31, 2007 2:13 am

forge wrote: my whole objective is to have some kind of music creation coputer that feels as intuitve as a real instrument like a guitar or piano

Man, you're in good shape if they feel intuitive to you!!

I think piano is hard as hell

again

forge · Post by **forge** » Thu May 31, 2007 2:17 am

longjohns wrote:
forge wrote: my whole objective is to have some kind of music creation coputer that feels as intuitve as a real instrument like a guitar or piano
Man, you're in good shape if they feel intuitive to you!!

I think piano is hard as hell

again

I guess the word I want is "tactile"