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kooki415 · Post by **kooki415** » Thu May 31, 2007 3:01 am

i always find it funny when apples multi touch thing comes up and people refer to it as "jeff han technology" jeff han used internal reflection, which requires a PROJECTOR and a IR CAMERA. the apple tech uses capacitance, just like the lemur.

both are already obsolete though. check this out.
http://www.k2.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/fusion/La ... inelli.mpg

edit: this ones faster
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpA__15_nzY

KU · Post by KU » Thu May 31, 2007 6:41 am

I love love love this thing. The website is very nicely done. The Surface really isn't too big for a club installation, or even a touring rig. I'd pay 10k if there was an awesome dj app for it.

they did beat apple to the punch on this though. its just great to see microsoft doing something cool after Vista ate such horrib

3dot... · Post by **3dot...** » Thu May 31, 2007 6:55 am

This is some futuristic stuff right here...watch it fullscreen

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ysEVYwa-vHM

+ the soundtrack is Gaudi I think...

forge · Post by **forge** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:46 pm

kooki415 wrote:i always find it funny when apples multi touch thing comes up and people refer to it as "jeff han technology" jeff han used internal reflection, which requires a PROJECTOR and a IR CAMERA. the apple tech uses capacitance, just like the lemur.

both are already obsolete though. check this out.
http://www.k2.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/fusion/La ... inelli.mpg

edit: this ones faster
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpA__15_nzY

It looks awesome but I wonder how much something like this would cost to set up - lasers cant be cheap

the thing with Jeff Han is it's conceivable to set something like that up at home, but one of the things he said when asked was the reason he decided a surface was required, after years of research, was because humans find they need to touch something for balance and orientation

trip_out · Post by **trip_out** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:12 pm

forge wrote:It looks awesome but I wonder how much something like this would cost to set up - lasers cant be cheap

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 0122982957

forge · Post by **forge** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:13 pm

trip_out wrote:
forge wrote:It looks awesome but I wonder how much something like this would cost to set up - lasers cant be cheap
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 0122982957

are you seriously telling me laser pointers can do that shit??????

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:51 pm

want some physical resistance with that laser pointer setup?

£4.79

I can just picture the gig.
laser pointer bungee man hooks himself to the stage and starts waving the beats.

trip_out · Post by **trip_out** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:01 pm

forge wrote:are you seriously telling me laser pointers can do that shit??????

Yes. You obviously nead the actuated mirrors and receiver, but in terms of a source a laser pointer should be fine.

forge · Post by **forge** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:25 pm

trip_out wrote:
forge wrote:are you seriously telling me laser pointers can do that shit??????
Yes. You obviously nead the actuated mirrors and receiver, but in terms of a source a laser pointer should be fine.

shit. I've just started my degree but I'm hoping to get into this kind of thing down the line

trip_out · Post by **trip_out** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:35 pm

forge wrote:
trip_out wrote:
forge wrote:are you seriously telling me laser pointers can do that shit??????
Yes. You obviously nead the actuated mirrors and receiver, but in terms of a source a laser pointer should be fine.
shit. I've just started my degree but I'm hoping to get into this kind of thing down the line

What degree? Where?

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:40 pm

I made some shit like this back in college
http://www.laserfx.com/Science/Science8.html

whoa man... you can like totally see the music... *cough* *cough*

Considering the projects listed above take a motor, tie to it a comm port on a computer and you can control what you draw.

Red lasers can be pretty cheap, they even put them on keychains.

forge · Post by **forge** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:51 am

trip_out wrote:
forge wrote:
trip_out wrote: Yes. You obviously nead the actuated mirrors and receiver, but in terms of a source a laser pointer should be fine.
shit. I've just started my degree but I'm hoping to get into this kind of thing down the line
What degree? Where?

Creative industries in Brisbane, Australia

the sub major that I think will lead on to it is computational arts

I know there is some interesting stuf already going on in that department

forge · Post by **forge** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:54 am

Angstrom wrote:want some physical resistance with that laser pointer setup?

£4.79

I can just picture the gig.
laser pointer bungee man hooks himself to the stage and starts waving the beats.

actually there was this really cool guy on telly last week who had put MIDI triggers all over his body and was juggling with these glowing balls in the dark and making them hit on all these triggers and he was just making a tune up - funk ass drum loops with samples from the show's host saying a bunch of stuff and he made it scratch and everything

it was well cool

kooki415 · Post by **kooki415** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:15 am

trip_out wrote:
forge wrote:are you seriously telling me laser pointers can do that shit??????
Yes. You obviously nead the actuated mirrors and receiver, but in terms of a source a laser pointer should be fine.

and its still a hell of a lot cheaper than a projector+web cam for the jeff han technique.

but the best part is there is no blob detection(computer vision) involved, so you dont need some hefty computer to run it.

shaneblyth · Post by **shaneblyth** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:07 am

Minority report did it in the air not on a table top and Wii (Nintindo does it like eye toy from Palystation 2 in the air as well. there was some cool videos on youtube showing 2 guys playing air drums with Wii controllers
I think that this is more futuristic than MS's idea here.
I mean havnt we had touch screen computer and even keyboard with touch screen (Korg) for donkeys years
I remeber going to the paint shop 5 years ago and using touch screens to paint a virtual house image as i wanted.. Maybe I am missing something ?