wahhhhhhh, i want my MPC back :(

timothyallan · Post by **timothyallan** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:56 pm

nah, dont post tracks.. post single sample hits.

Even better, do a null test on them and post the results!!

dango · Post by **dango** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:00 am

if you read my original post and the title of the thread you would find that i currently do not own a mpc. a little hard to do side by side hits with no mpc.

all i have is all the track i recorder from my mpc. i gues i can take a 4/4 bd loop i recorded and take the same sample and lay it out like that.

Sleep Tyght · Post by **Sleep Tyght** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:50 am

I'm a lazy bastard..or maybe I just don't have the patience to try and make Battery sound like I just programmed my drums on the 2000XL/4000. If I want my drums to sound MPC like then I'll keep using...my MPC's.

I am buying a Macbook to use while I'm on the road so whatvery PUNCH I get out of my drums will more than likely come from my sample library built from...you guessed it...drums that I recorded from the MPC's outs...further editing done in Battery.

I say get the MPC back if you feel more creative with it. I haven't sold my MPC's and I doubt that I ever will.

v00d00ppl · Post by **v00d00ppl** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:51 am

3dot... wrote:
dango wrote: fact: computers play samples like shit. dedicated samplers like an MPC have a much crisper punchier sound.

fact: It's all in your head!

yes, unless its an mpc 60I or 60II, or the akai s950 or s900 and the sound is different. now you can get that crispier punchier sound on the pc or mac by hooking up your turnable to your soundcard and just sampling dirty ass breaks. chop it. voila.

timothyallan · Post by **timothyallan** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:01 am

dango wrote:if you read my original post and the title of the thread you would find that i currently do not own a mpc. a little hard to do side by side hits with no mpc.

all i have is all the track i recorder from my mpc. i gues i can take a 4/4 bd loop i recorded and take the same sample and lay it out like that.

Yeah, I did read that. You were saying you were going to buy another one in 3 days... I never specified a timeframe

v00d00ppl · Post by **v00d00ppl** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:56 am

if you are going side by side and you want a least biased test, do single hits on each one. render the pc audio and use the spectrum analyzer and see the difference.

3rdordertrauma · Post by **3rdordertrauma** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:28 am

Sleep Tyght wrote:I'm a lazy bastard..or maybe I just don't have the patience to try and make Battery sound like I just programmed my drums on the 2000XL/4000. If I want my drums to sound MPC like then I'll keep using...my MPC's.

I am buying a Macbook to use while I'm on the road so whatvery PUNCH I get out of my drums will more than likely come from my sample library built from...you guessed it...drums that I recorded from the MPC's outs...further editing done in Battery.

I don't understand... this makes no sense to me.

This "PUNCH" people are talking about from an MPC is SO over hyped. Its just "colored" sound... surely with the sickening amount of tools available today you could make a rack or device chain for Live to come very close to this MPC "PUNCH" everyone goes weak in the knees over.

I stopped subscribing to this MPC "PUNCH" crap a long time ago.

I'm not saying MPC's don't sound good... But I am saying its not the only way to get "PUNCH" from your drums.

If a hardware piece like an MPC suits your work flow then I'm all for that. Especially if you find the sound inspiring. But re-sampling your drums from the MPC and loading them in Battery? HUH?

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:07 am

If it literally is just the sound of the conversion stage, why not use something like Voxengo Boogex to model the MPC sound of your drumbeat.

Sleep Tyght · Post by **Sleep Tyght** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:12 am

3rdordertrauma wrote:
Sleep Tyght wrote:I'm a lazy bastard..or maybe I just don't have the patience to try and make Battery sound like I just programmed my drums on the 2000XL/4000. If I want my drums to sound MPC like then I'll keep using...my MPC's.

I am buying a Macbook to use while I'm on the road so whatvery PUNCH I get out of my drums will more than likely come from my sample library built from...you guessed it...drums that I recorded from the MPC's outs...further editing done in Battery.
I don't understand... this makes no sense to me.

This "PUNCH" people are talking about from an MPC is SO over hyped. Its just "colored" sound... surely with the sickening amount of tools available today you could make a rack or device chain for Live to come very close to this MPC "PUNCH" everyone goes weak in the knees over.

I stopped subscribing to this MPC "PUNCH" crap a long time ago.

I'm not saying MPC's don't sound good... But I am saying its not the only way to get "PUNCH" from your drums.

If a hardware piece like an MPC suits your work flow then I'm all for that. Especially if you find the sound inspiring. But re-sampling your drums from the MPC and loading them in Battery? HUH?

Somehow I knew this comment would come up.

My editing depends on situation and location. I've had time where I've built kits from within Battery, Kontakt, and even Sound Forge...then I've loaded them into an MPC to record directly into Logic or Pro Tools...

Because I was heading into a studio other than my own.

I have friends who don't own an MPC so I might use those same kits to record at their homes, and I'll edit kits to their liking inside of Battery.

There have also been times when I've bought MPC kits which were only in that .snd MPC format so I recorded them straight to sound forge and edited the drums from there. I'll do the same within Battery if I feel like it. I like to test out my tools. I paid for them so why shouldn't I? Do you understand that much???

It doesn't matter if YOU don't believe the hype. To be honest I don't really believe it much either, but I DO BELIEVE the MPC gives you a particular feel that I for one have never been able to duplicate with software. Say and believe what you want, but the playability factor of the MPC outshines sitting at a computer and sequencing drums in let's say GURU. It's just my opinion...and the opinion of many other Akai consumers.

Why get mad or disgusted at the next man's opinion? To be honest I wouldn't even dream of sequencing drums with Simpler. Others might go goo goo gah gah for it, but I'd rather use an MPC or Ultrabeat anyday.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:39 am

No one here is mad or digusted, stop flinging those kind of pies.

dango · Post by **dango** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:19 am

well i ahve not got my mpc yet to do side by side one shot comparrisons. but here is the last track i started working on while on my mpc and a track i started last night using live and kontakt. the same drum sound cd was used on both tracks. vocal samples were of course from different sources. the mpc has no effects on it at all, not even the on board eq. the live track has a psp vintage warmer and an eq8 to give it a boost.

please note these are not finished songs, just ideas that need some work. yes i know the stevie wonder samples on the mpc track are way over done and the majority are getting the cut.

this is the last mpc song i started
http://www.sinewavezero.com/sound/steenyriz.mp3

this is the song i started in live last night
http://www.sinewavezero.com/sound/shootdamoon.mp3

call me crazy, but i can hear a big difference in the sound and punch of the two. the mpc track seems to be more present.

the mpc track was brought back into live were some synths were added

minimal · Post by **minimal** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:37 am

gonna have a hear now

post later again

3rdordertrauma · Post by **3rdordertrauma** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:55 am

Sleep Tyght wrote: Somehow I knew this comment would come up.

My editing depends on situation and location. I've had time where I've built kits from within Battery, Kontakt, and even Sound Forge...then I've loaded them into an MPC to record directly into Logic or Pro Tools...

Because I was heading into a studio other than my own.

I have friends who don't own an MPC so I might use those same kits to record at their homes, and I'll edit kits to their liking inside of Battery.

There have also been times when I've bought MPC kits which were only in that .snd MPC format so I recorded them straight to sound forge and edited the drums from there. I'll do the same within Battery if I feel like it. I like to test out my tools. I paid for them so why shouldn't I? Do you understand that much???

Yeah I do understand that... if you're are experimenting with the tools you've payed for then great, or for some reason need to convert the format then thats understandable. Does Battery not import like every format around? Or are the raw .wavs not available on those .snd formatted libraries? Anyway I thought you were saying something different in your other post I guess... I thought you were saying you recorded the samples out of the MPC and imported them in Battery cause they sounded "PUNCHIER" than the ones directly imported from disc.

Sleep Tyght wrote:It doesn't matter if YOU don't believe the hype. To be honest I don't really believe it much either, but I DO BELIEVE the MPC gives you a particular feel that I for one have never been able to duplicate with software. Say and believe what you want, but the playability factor of the MPC outshines sitting at a computer and sequencing drums in let's say GURU. It's just my opinion...and the opinion of many other Akai consumers.

Precisely why I said "If a hardware piece like an MPC suits your work flow then I'm all for that. Especially if you find the sound inspiring." I also understand many people don't work well on just a computer and having a hardware interface (of their choice) can make all the difference in the world. I am one of them... but because an MPC is not "my" choice of hardware, does not make it not a good choice for others. It fits the bill perfectly for many many people; its a powerful machine and I totally support using it if it happens to be productive for you. But now we are discussing a matter of workflow where as before I thought we were talking about sound.

Sleep Tyght wrote:Why get mad or disgusted at the next man's opinion? To be honest I wouldn't even dream of sequencing drums with Simpler. Others might go goo goo gah gah for it, but I'd rather use an MPC or Ultrabeat anyday.

I am not mad nor disgusted... you are as entitled to your opinion as I am or anyone else here. I didn't aim to devalue your opinion. So apologies if I did.

minimal · Post by **minimal** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:02 am

I do hear a difference, the song made with the mpc sounds punchier to me, one question though, since I am not in the studio and I do not have meters here:
are you sure you recorded the tracks at the same level? If not the comparison is not fair imho.

3rdordertrauma · Post by **3rdordertrauma** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:19 am

dango wrote:well i ahve not got my mpc yet to do side by side one shot comparrisons. but here is the last track i started working on while on my mpc and a track i started last night using live and kontakt. the same drum sound cd was used on both tracks. vocal samples were of course from different sources. the mpc has no effects on it at all, not even the on board eq. the live track has a psp vintage warmer and an eq8 to give it a boost.

please note these are not finished songs, just ideas that need some work. yes i know the stevie wonder samples on the mpc track are way over done and the majority are getting the cut.

this is the last mpc song i started
http://www.sinewavezero.com/sound/steenyriz.mp3

this is the song i started in live last night
http://www.sinewavezero.com/sound/shootdamoon.mp3

call me crazy, but i can hear a big difference in the sound and punch of the two. the mpc track seems to be more present.

the mpc track was brought back into live were some synths were added

Dude... I don't know. 2 very different tracks with totally different sounds. I wouldn't say the "non mpc" one sounds bad. The drum samples (kick) in the "mpc" one are WAY loader but I don't see any reason at all you couldn't get that volume and snap from Live; with very little effort. I guess what I'm saying is I personally don't hear anything magical in the "mpc" one that could only be created with the mpc.

I'd be curious to do some side by side comparisons when you get your mpc back. And I'd be up for working a device chain that could "emulate" this mpc color everyone is talking about.

wahhhhhhh, i want my MPC back :(

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