OT: Michael Moore's Sicko

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:59 pm

Can't say I've ever seen a MM film - I probably never will, but health care here in Judkins Park (the neighborhood where I live) is pretty bad

but it's not just the govenerment's fault

you can blame the drug manufactures, then the insurance companies, then the lawyers, then the doctors then the schools and then the people - I mean there's no one answer to the cascading domino array of blame right?

or is there? Perhaps in MM film he gives a clear and conside solution to a not so clear and concise problem

I just wish he lost some weight - then maybe I'd watch one of his doc's?

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:33 pm

This msn article posted today is pretty much Health Care is the US

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19207050/?GT1=10056

dango · Post by **dango** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:56 pm

djadonis206 wrote:This msn article posted today is pretty much Health Care is the US

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19207050/?GT1=10056

exactly. so messed up .

tacvbo83 · Post by **tacvbo83** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:19 am

eyeknow wrote:Well, micheal moore sure has done another bang up job........

Ya know, I get sick of this shit, the "left of left" of you all are not the only ones with opinions.....

Maybe instead of constantly bashing any of us so called "right" wingers, you could put your money where your mouth is and do something to improve the world.

bitching about republican all the time isn't helping......that's for sure!

It should not be about the right or left like the tv tells you to follow. It should be about "right and wrong". What is wrong with right(Republican) and left(Democrat) is that you will follow a side no matter what good or evil they do. Why can't it be just follow the good of each side. I am not in any way affiliated with any of these corrupt parties(sides) but I see at as Republicans being evil for what they do and what sometimes they believe in and Democrats simply putting up with it by either being bought or becoming afraid to stand up for the people that vote for them. That right there is a bad scenario for this country. I just finished watching Sicko and must say it is the best movie(documentary) I have ever seen. (i have seen plenty) It details very well everything and it is not a bashing type documentary; more of stating facts. Not bashing at all because both Republicans and Democrats are all in the national healthcare scam. I strongly recommend you all watch it because it is simply the truth; unless of course you are afraid of the truth, which many of you unfortunately are because of selfishness etc.

tacvbo83 · Post by **tacvbo83** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:21 am

lesterdiamond wrote:when i saw bowling for columbine i left the theater thinking it was the greatest documentary that I have ever seen

a while later i found out about how michael moore does things, not going to even give it a watch, no more moore for me after all of those shananigans

How does Michael Moore do things? Can you please enlighten me since I have no idea at all.

glu · Post by **glu** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:59 am

djadonis206 wrote: I just wish he lost some weight - then maybe I'd watch one of his doc's?

He has actually lost some weight.

If interested check out the interview with Bill Maher

so maybe now you will watch one of them videors'

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-F57JcaB92o

lesterdiamond · Post by **lesterdiamond** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:14 am

tacvbo83 wrote:
lesterdiamond wrote:when i saw bowling for columbine i left the theater thinking it was the greatest documentary that I have ever seen

a while later i found out about how michael moore does things, not going to even give it a watch, no more moore for me after all of those shananigans
How does Michael Moore do things? Can you please enlighten me since I have no idea at all.

he is really deceptive in how he presents information and proves his points, he does a lot of bending and holding back of information that would allow the viewer to see things in a completely different light

he makes a tunnel for you to look through

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:27 am

lesterdiamond wrote:he is really deceptive in how he presents information and proves his points, he does a lot of bending and holding back of information that would allow the viewer to see things in a completely different light

he makes a tunnel for you to look through

A documentary about how the car industry fucked up Detroit.
A documentary about gun control in the US not being 'in control'.
A documentary that the Bush administration is s-h-a-d-y.

Pretty straightforward obvious subjects.

Could the healthcare industry in the US be totally fucked up, omfg what a stretch! <sarcasm emoticon>. Wait to see the movie before judging.

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:23 pm

I think Michael Moore is a total loon but at least he is trying to do something about change in his own twisted way.

I haven't seen the movie yet but did go to his site and there were some videos of him talking to our government in California. He's claiming that it's not directly the government's fault but the insurance industries fault, and by association it's the government's fault for letting the insurance industry operate the way it does. Specifically that the insurance industry is setup to make a profit like any other corporation and profit should never be taken into consideration when dealing with people's health. It's an interesting argument whatever your opinion might be of Michael Moore.

Wishbone · Post by **Wishbone** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:28 pm

I'd rather listen to Milton Friedman than that moron. Any sector of business that government gets into is ALWAYS run worse in than the private sector.

What are the 3 biggest fiscal problems we are facing in this country?
Social Security
Medicare/Medicaid
Education

What are the 3 most government controlled sectors of business
Social Security
Medicare/Medicaid
Education

It's not a coincidence.

The idea of health insurance for regular checkups is DUMB. Why do we have insurance for payments we need to make, and are very cheap! Insurance is to protect yourself from unforeseen accidents! You don't get homeowners insurance that pays for people to cut your lawn!

If you want government controlled health care, than why not government controlled food, or computers, or movie theaters? What economically is different about Health care and food? Absolutely nothing. It will fail just as communist Russia did.

This is how to fix health care:
http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/3459466.html

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:33 pm

beats me wrote:I haven't had insurance for about 5 years now and obviously hadn't been going in for regular check ups. I don't have the healthiest of lifestyles but at the same time don't get ill all that often. About 6 months ago I had severe stomach pains and after about 4 days of not being able to get out of bed I decided I should go to the emergency room. I was freaking out. Kidney problems? Liver? Cancer?

So I went to the hospital, they ran a battery of tests including an ultra sound, and I was only there for about 2 hours. To my complete relief it turned out I only had a stomach flu, which is something I had never had before. Never consult WebMD, list enough symptoms of any type and it will tell you that you are dying of AIDs.

2 weeks later I get bills totaling $3,500. WTF?!?! For 2 hours of diagnostics work? And it's not like they had to send the tests elsewhere and wait for the results. The entire thing took 2 hours beginning to end. But out of the goodness of their "Christian" heart they lowered it to $2,500. Gee, thank you Jesus.

that spins me out

i had an ultrasound 3 weeks ago and it cost me a bus fare...

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:48 pm

sweetjesus wrote:
beats me wrote:I haven't had insurance for about 5 years now and obviously hadn't been going in for regular check ups. I don't have the healthiest of lifestyles but at the same time don't get ill all that often. About 6 months ago I had severe stomach pains and after about 4 days of not being able to get out of bed I decided I should go to the emergency room. I was freaking out. Kidney problems? Liver? Cancer?

So I went to the hospital, they ran a battery of tests including an ultra sound, and I was only there for about 2 hours. To my complete relief it turned out I only had a stomach flu, which is something I had never had before. Never consult WebMD, list enough symptoms of any type and it will tell you that you are dying of AIDs.

2 weeks later I get bills totaling $3,500. WTF?!?! For 2 hours of diagnostics work? And it's not like they had to send the tests elsewhere and wait for the results. The entire thing took 2 hours beginning to end. But out of the goodness of their "Christian" heart they lowered it to $2,500. Gee, thank you Jesus.

that spins me out

i had an ultrasound 3 weeks ago and it cost me a bus fare...

The ultrasound portion was $800 of my bill. The other thing that pissed me off was I got 4 different bills from that visit. The least they could do was screw me on one piece of paper. Uglier yet, I paid off the smaller bills, one a month, but because I didn't pay anything towards the largest bill they wanted to send me to collections as if I hadn't been paying anything at all towards the same damn visit.

I did find one positive aspect of it though. At least by running all those tests they ruled out other more serious issues.

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:51 pm

beats me wrote:
sweetjesus wrote:
beats me wrote:I haven't had insurance for about 5 years now and obviously hadn't been going in for regular check ups. I don't have the healthiest of lifestyles but at the same time don't get ill all that often. About 6 months ago I had severe stomach pains and after about 4 days of not being able to get out of bed I decided I should go to the emergency room. I was freaking out. Kidney problems? Liver? Cancer?

So I went to the hospital, they ran a battery of tests including an ultra sound, and I was only there for about 2 hours. To my complete relief it turned out I only had a stomach flu, which is something I had never had before. Never consult WebMD, list enough symptoms of any type and it will tell you that you are dying of AIDs.

2 weeks later I get bills totaling $3,500. WTF?!?! For 2 hours of diagnostics work? And it's not like they had to send the tests elsewhere and wait for the results. The entire thing took 2 hours beginning to end. But out of the goodness of their "Christian" heart they lowered it to $2,500. Gee, thank you Jesus.

that spins me out

i had an ultrasound 3 weeks ago and it cost me a bus fare...
The ultrasound portion was $800 of my bill. The other thing that pissed me off was I got 4 different bills from that visit. The least they could do was screw me on one piece of paper. Uglier yet, I paid off the smaller bills, one a month, but because I didn't pay anything towards the largest bill they wanted to send me to collections as if I hadn't been paying anything at all towards the same damn visit.

I did find one positive aspect of it though. At least by running all those tests they ruled out other more serious issues.

that sux

move to australia

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:23 pm

um, er, yeah

Wishbone · Post by **Wishbone** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:43 pm

Anyways, I don't get why people think that universal health care is "free". Just because you didnt pay for it directly doesnt mean it was free. There's nothing free about free health care, it all comes out of the taxpayers pockets. It just is much less efficient, and ends up costing more.