Future Live 4 Mac users who want more beef/cpu just buy a PC

forge · Post by **forge** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 1:16 am

aljen wrote:The question is not "are Macs expensive" - the question ist "are PCs extremely cheap". Of course one can go out and buy a 1000 euro PC with everything you need. You can even obtain one at the ALDI supermarket in the downtown.

So this is cleared. You cannot buy a desktop Mac for 1000 Euro in the supermarket.
)

see this is where I'm not sure about all this PCs are cheaper - yeah bang for buck blah blah, but e-macs are dirt cheap - probably the same as 1000euro, i-macs are quite cheap too, and I'm sure you'd be able to do plenty with them.

Here we are comparing oranges and lemons yet again, the architecture is completely different and so they do different things differently, and one thing people who have been mentioning sluggish macs have neglected to mention is that on a mac if you're playing audio and it gets sluggish, the audio wont drop out, it's things like redraws and gui which suffer - because it's doing everything it can to make sure the audio is given priority. If a PC get's overloaded the first thing to go is the sound. Sure it's longer before it get's overloaded. but the architecture on mac is better for audio

macs are cool. PCs are gutsy - but boasting about them is like looking at everyone elses knobs in the showers to see if yours is bigger and really is pretty pathetic

Winterpark · Post by **Winterpark** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 2:45 am

forge wrote: macs are cool. PCs are gutsy - but boasting about them is like looking at everyone elses knobs in the showers to see if yours is bigger and really is pretty pathetic

forge, you crack me up.

prinzali · Post by **prinzali** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 9:23 am

forge wrote: macs are cool. PCs are gutsy - but boasting about them is like looking at everyone elses knobs in the showers to see if yours is bigger and really is pretty pathetic

You forget one thhing dude.
Having a Big one, makes a difrance, in the human world
Having a Slow, VERY expensive stipid Mac also makes the Weomen want you.

-Regards
-André (Who is getting a mac after the roskilde festival)

aljen · Post by **aljen** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 10:45 am

prinzali wrote: Having a Big one, makes a difrance, in the human world
Having a Slow, VERY expensive stipid Mac also makes the Weomen want you.

Worse yet, the woman/women of your choce will sooner or later also want one. Kinda Mac envy, while there are not just women affected by this

med venling hilser til Danmark fra Lübeck
aljen

prinzali · Post by **prinzali** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 2:31 pm

aljen wrote:
prinzali wrote: Having a Big one, makes a difrance, in the human world
Having a Slow, VERY expensive stipid Mac also makes the Weomen want you.
Worse yet, the woman/women of your choce will sooner or later also want one. Kinda Mac envy, while there are not just women affected by this

med venling hilser til Danmark fra Lübeck
aljen

Hey another one from Denmark (Hejsa med dig).
So basic'y what your saying is that instead of Penis envy, they get mac envy? Is this a fact based on lab results?

Regards
-André

claudek · Post by **claudek** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 11:51 am

I take it all back now:

After using Live 4 on my Mac, i get better optimization then on the PC and works great. I shut down the PC and selling it to my next door neighbor.
When I work on my Mac it just flows so much better.

The PC is defintely faster, but I seem to focus more on the Mac, as there is just to much on my plate on the PC.

Not saying Mac is better, just for me I feel at home.

DONT SMACK ME!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:54 pm

claudek...
maybe you should have just created music instead of starting another lame mac vs pc tread... :=P
(I just knew that was gonna happen to you... foo.)
ssssSlap!

claudek · Post by **claudek** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:05 pm

Sorry..but was interesting either way...

Therapeutic..

HAAAA

BASH ME!

Maybe I can sell the PC, to pay for my doctor.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:19 pm

claudek...
maybe you should have just created music instead of starting another lame mac vs pc tread... :=P
(I just knew that was gonna happen to you... foo.)
ssssSlap!

forge · Post by **forge** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 7:09 pm

claudek wrote:I take it all back now:

After using Live 4 on my Mac, i get better optimization then on the PC and works great. I shut down the PC and selling it to my next door neighbor.
When I work on my Mac it just flows so much better.

The PC is defintely faster, but I seem to focus more on the Mac, as there is just to much on my plate on the PC.

Not saying Mac is better, just for me I feel at home.

DONT SMACK ME!

I reckon I 'm gonna write more with the mac - then get it on the pc to mix and master with all it's grunt.

But since now i can use the computer keyboard for midi, I can take my powerbook anywhere and will run fine without an external interface, even got a little mic in it which is wicked for starting loops - recording ambient sound and then messing it up is wicked fun - i've even got bass lines out of it that way

so i take my lightweight, compact mac and a pair of headphones, power supply and maybe my UC-33 if i can be bothered and I'm totally sorted

didg19 · Post by **didg19** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 8:18 pm

I have decided I need a Mac
because glowing apples look cool on stage

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 5:07 am

i'm a big mac guy and i can't deny the performance of a Pentium 4.

i think the PC and Mac both have their places in the arsenals of musicians. For the stage, you don't need to be running Reaktor in realtime as a plugin, or do you need the crazy track counts that pc's give you (gonna use that more in the conceptual/creative phase).
but what you do need is the stability of OSX.

So the solution is get yourself a Mac for the stage... powerbooks are extremely road worthy... mine has been dropped out of a couple overhead bins (no joke) on trans-pacific flights. any other machine would have ate it.

you can build a fast Pentium 4 3ghz box with all the bells and whistles for $700, cheaper than the eMac. and as fast as a G5. don't hook it up to the internet, look at it as an instrument (would you hook an MPC2000 up to yahoo dsl? no). Instruments have quirks, and so does Windows =D

no more bipartisanship! the best solution is both!

cheap and fast - but not good
fast and good - but not cheap
good and cheap - but not fast

Windows and OSX both apply to the above rules.

'nuff said.

Mbazzy · Post by **Mbazzy** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 9:52 am

Glad to see more and more people start to see the advantage of having both platforms ...

FaX-01 · Post by **FaX-01** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 1:41 pm

I agree I'm picking up an older OS9.2 powerbook for Metasynth soon.
That said my desktop PC is my net / publishing / prinitng PC.
My DAW (laptop) has never been on the net and is brutally stripped down.
Ok so I've only had it 9 days but.... 12 use minimum per day with zero glitches ,hangups ,crashes or other troubles with XP.
If my DAW had to be NET configured it would be a Mac for sure.
There's deifnately merits to both.
As it stands I'm pretty happy with what I've got but I realistically don't see the whole point in these PC vs Mac threads myself.

smutek · Post by **smutek** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 3:57 pm

jeffrydada wrote:As for the BMW thing the audio feature in the car is just a 1/8 " jack that inputs to the stereo system, for any portable audio device.

Not true. It is an actual base plug for the bottom of the iPod that is located in the glove box. You plug the iPod in, just like plugging it into it's base, and it provides power to the pod and connects the iPod to the stereo. The iPod is then controlled through controls that are built into the steering wheel, next track, prev track, next playlist, prev, volume, etc. The face of the car stereo displays track information.

It is definately more than just an 1/8th inch jack.