REASON 4 - Propellerheads finally announce!!

[Oscar F]

Hey Guy's FaX here and well I just to really throw the cat among the pigeons .....


If the sequencer really is a huge improvement I am more than prepared to do the following.


1.Use Reaktor as a stand alone app only
2.Get Reason 4 (upgrade - been a user since 2.0)
3.Go Back to Live3 use the Reason sequencer and piss off all the other VSTi's and shit I use for simplicity sake.
4.Invest in a secondhand RS7000 again.
5.Oh and I don't care what anyone says (sure the Reggaeton Refill blows chunks) but a few high quality refills go a long long way ala Bitword Wavefront and the like .
6.I am feelin' Reason4 + Live3 will be the go to solution I have been waiting for all these fucking years.



Keep bitchin' folks.
It isn't what you use it's how you use it anyway.

[georgebrazil]

I like the new sequencer and the regroove machine.

Thor also looks like a cool new synth.

Really cannot complain about Reason concept -- fast, stable and fun to play with. Rewiring R4 into Live6 is all I need if audio recording/manipulation is required.

[forge]

Someone should start a prog rock contest using Reason

There should be a requirement of at least 20 automated time signature changes per song.

Entries with lyrics not including dragons, trolls or talking trees are immediately disqualified.

or stonehenge?

[kenporter]

if only the dumbasses as props would embrace audio recording and 3rd party stuff properly, they would see their company not fail and we would see a good idea be great., i mean a great idea be amazin.

I too would like to see audio in Reason. However, last time I checked Reason was the most sold software application on the market here in the US, so I wouldn't say that the company has or will fail!

Ken

[snowtires]

Why does everyone bitch about "tempo automation" in Live like it doesnt have it. Live has full blown easy as hell to use tempo automation.

shame about the time signature automation eh

Not really for me and 10,000,000 other producers world wide. Maybe if I were doing classical/jazz pieces or scoring a drama. But for Rock, Pop, Industrial, Techno, hiphop etc automating the time signature is totally irrelevant and wouldnt be used 99.999% of the time. So for me, not a "shame" at all.

if they didn't include video in live 6, i would say that live didn't really have a use for time signature automation. but for me and other people like me, who are composers for film and tv, who love live and hate logic, being able to sync to video but not having video output and not having time signature automation is beyond frustrating. just because mainstream music has dumbed itself down, it doesn't mean that musicians as a whole have.

[headquest]

Regarding time-signature automation:

I have used this feature when programming backings for show tunes for my own kids and for pupils of mine. Quite a lot of showtunes have switches from 4/4 to 6/8 and back again part way through.

Showtunes are pretty mainstream stuff

I have also used time signature changes for classical pieces, jazz, and they are very common in movie scores as well.

Suggesting that time-signature changes are not important is pretty childish imho. You don't have to step too far (musically) away from the dance scene to encounter time signature changes - they are a feature of loads of musical styles.

[Fledz]

I like the new sequencer and the regroove machine.

Thor also looks like a cool new synth.

Really cannot complain about Reason concept -- fast, stable and fun to play with. Rewiring R4 into Live6 is all I need if audio recording/manipulation is required.

+1. I've grown tired of constantly using new VSTs in Live and I really do miss Reason. I've used 2.5 before and rewiring it with Live would make a perfect combination.

I think I'm sold. Using it as an instrument for trance and progressive is perfect, especially since I don't like the inbuilt stuff in Live. It also allows me to keep working in Live as I love the simplicity of putting stuff together and also means I can keep using the handful of VSTs I love, ie Albino.

I can definitely see why they didn't add VST support in. Audio would be nice but I don't need it with Live there to do it for me.

Reason 4 + Live 6 = WIN

On a side not, why does everyone complain as if they are just going to use Reason. As far as I know, most people here have Live so if you do get Reason, there's your dream combination right there. I'm fine with people pointing out things but at least do it like you are reviewing the product, not just ranting about it.

[itook4lefts]

Suggesting that time-signature changes are not important is pretty childish imho. You don't have to step too far (musically) away from the dance scene to encounter time signature changes - they are a feature of loads of musical styles.

+1
and saying that pop, rock, whatever don't use them just shows people aren't paying attention.
still reason 4 looks ok, no?

[forge]

On a side not, why does everyone complain as if they are just going to use Reason. As far as I know, most people here have Live so if you do get Reason, there's your dream combination right there. I'm fine with people pointing out things but at least do it like you are reviewing the product, not just ranting about it.

well that's it really - because all the developments seem to be aimed at people using it standalone, they never seem to advance it for people who use it with other hosts etc

[headquest]

well that's it really - because all the developments seem to be aimed at people using it standalone, they never seem to advance it for people who use it with other hosts etc

Do you really think that having THOR available in Live 6 isn't any advancement? (just one example)

[thelocalhost]

Suggesting that time-signature changes are not important is pretty childish imho. You don't have to step too far (musically) away from the dance scene to encounter time signature changes - they are a feature of loads of musical styles.

+1
and saying that pop, rock, whatever don't use them just shows people aren't paying attention.

Tru dat.

[Fledz]

On a side not, why does everyone complain as if they are just going to use Reason. As far as I know, most people here have Live so if you do get Reason, there's your dream combination right there. I'm fine with people pointing out things but at least do it like you are reviewing the product, not just ranting about it.

well that's it really - because all the developments seem to be aimed at people using it standalone, they never seem to advance it for people who use it with other hosts etc

Thor, Subtractor and Maelstrom all boxed into a combinator in many different variations is much more than Live can offer in terms of synths. It's more than enough for me to rewire

[john gordon]

reason 4 = instant trancemachine....woohoo yeah!!! go paul vandyke.

[chis]

Don't listen to much progressive rock then?

Nobody does. That's the 0.0001%.

Sorry, I don't usually say things like this but, Tone: please fuck off.

[chis]

Regarding time-signature automation:

I have used this feature when programming backings for show tunes for my own kids and for pupils of mine. Quite a lot of showtunes have switches from 4/4 to 6/8 and back again part way through.

Showtunes are pretty mainstream stuff

I have also used time signature changes for classical pieces, jazz, and they are very common in movie scores as well.

Suggesting that time-signature changes are not important is pretty childish imho. You don't have to step too far (musically) away from the dance scene to encounter time signature changes - they are a feature of loads of musical styles.

At last, a reasonable response. I would be more inclined to use time sig changes if Live had automation for such a feature. And yes, my music is "electronic". So this and multiple automation lanes are the two main features I've been crowing for in Live 7.