Apple to kill Pro Tools soon?

subbasshead · Post by **subbasshead** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:09 pm

& what on earth makes you think ProTools doesnt have to compete?

& who are these drones you refer to? i have yet to meet one....
every ProTools owner I know (esp HD but also LE) thought long
& hard before investing

if you already have a computer, buying LIVE could easily be on a whim
a la garageband (& that is not a criticism - these apps are like the acoustic
guitars of the 70s) but i dont believe anyone blows $20k on a whim
or a bit of market speak

If all I had was PTLE etc, my music would suffer greatly

the creativity & music is in you surely, not the tools?

i dont want to mention the beatles/4 tracks etc but oops i just did...

james Egan · Post by **james Egan** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:41 pm

Hey all,
Wasn't trying to start a war here. Was just wondering what some differences between the apps were. Seems like there are lots of them.

Jamie

leedsquietman · Post by **leedsquietman** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:32 am

To a point the music is in me - Having started on 4 track machines in the 1980´s and then progressed to 8 track and finally computer recording.

However, once you get a taste for something, that creative edge drives you on, like the Beatles themselves embraced technology. I don´t envisage going back to a tascam portastudio anytime soon

ProTools has to compete to a degree but it doesn´t compete as hard as it should do, mostly because it doesn´t have to. This is my opinion. It might not be accurate but I know that many share it.

Nuendo and Sequoia are busting a nut to improve and add features and facilities to get even a tiny piece of Digidesign´s huge pie. Even though both are cheaper and at least as feature rich (if not more so in some areas) they still are barely making a dent in PT´s market share.

Perhaps people don´t drop 15-20k on a whim. Or perhaps they do, knowing that it keeps them up with the Joneses´ If you are as experienced in studios as you appear to be, would you ever consider starting your own studio (assuming you had the dough) and shun ProTools in favour of another solution. Even if the alternative was cheaper and arguably better in some respects? WOuld you have the balls to go out almost alone and tie your clients into a non standard system, should they choose to do remixes or further editing/mixing/mastering with the tracks they laid down at your studio. My assumption would be No, but then I don´t know you, so maybe you could give your take on it.

I probably seem like a digi hater - I´m not really. I respect the product and respect the profits they make. Their customer support is infinitely better than Steinberg too but not without some dissenters. I would just like to see more choice and lower prices at the PT HD end and feel that PT LE and M-Powered should offer more than 32 audio tracks and a few proprietary effect/choice of interfaces etc. at the budget end.

massiveheadpain · Post by **massiveheadpain** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:04 am

Blow Tools

nonnus · Post by **nonnus** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:52 pm

someone knows if this super deadly apple uber-logic stuff will work with 32 bit audio files ???

i just found out that currently logic only supports 24 bit,
so it won´t read the multitracks i export from live at 48khz/32 bits...

am i missing something ?
must i lower my live exported files quality so they are compatible with the superior logic audio engine ?????

fishermusic · Post by **fishermusic** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:41 pm

james Egan wrote:Question for pro tools users out there- What can you do in Pro Tools that you can't do in Live. I'm just curiuos.

Jamie

Extremely low latency. Much higher audio quality than anything else currently out there. But the main reason is every single pro out there uses it (good or bad) and so if you're bouncing from studio to studio you've got to have it.

I agree that PT is expensive, but so is a Porshe.

It would take Apple years to make a dent in the PT world. IMHO.

BTW - Live is the only other program I use to score stuff on a daily basis. It is so amazing. Just wish I could run VST's in Rewire mode.

Homebelly · Post by **Homebelly** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:22 am

I don't think it's ever been Apples desire to corner the consumer market, at least, not so far as there Pro-App range has been concerned. Thats what all the i-Products are for, both hard ware and software, and i think they conceded that market to Microsoft/ibm a long time ago,,

I would guess that by the time of Leopard and "what ever logic will be(WELWB)",, we will also see a huge jump in the MacPro line that will iron out all of the dual quad core problems and will allow WELWB to take on the DIGI based TDM systems on a host system,,
As it stands a PT system is expensive in terms, not only of the TDM/Farm cards,, but also in terms of having to get storage,, a computer,, and so on,, the new MP's already have room for 5(?) HD's,, plus inputs for more external,,
From a software stand point i'm not sure any thing is going to kill any thing else,, from a hard ware stand point,, i think DIGI will be watching very closely to see where apple is going with this,, and AVID as a whole

thelocalhost · Post by **thelocalhost** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:23 am

nonnus wrote:someone knows if this super deadly apple uber-logic stuff will work with 32 bit audio files ???

i just found out that currently logic only supports 24 bit,
so it won´t read the multitracks i export from live at 48khz/32 bits...

am i missing something ?
must i lower my live exported files quality so they are compatible with the superior logic audio engine ?????

This is completely wrong.

hacktheplanet · Post by **hacktheplanet** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:55 am

Hahhaa, KILL Pro Tools? Fat chance.
It doesn't matter that the software Apple is developing may better. Until there's an easy way to completely change over 90% of the recording industry's hardware, and adjust the mindset of all the people in the industry, Pro Tools is here to stay.

It's like the Vestax vs. Technics thing. Despite that Vestax decks are (arguably) better decks, Technics will never be dethroned. They are an industry standard, and everyone knows them.

steff3 · Post by **steff3** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:36 am

Well, I would rather like to see them kill ProTools than Logic - but for quite some time it looks like they are killing Logic

steff3 · Post by **steff3** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:41 am

[quote="fishermusic"]

Extremely low latency. Much higher audio quality than anything else currently out there. But the main reason is every single pro out there uses it (good or bad) and so if you're bouncing from studio to studio you've got to have it.

I agree that PT is expensive, but so is a Porshe.

It would take Apple years to make a dent in the PT world. IMHO.

BTW - Live is the only other program I use to score stuff on a daily basis. It is so amazing. Just wish I could run VST's in Rewire mode.[/quote]

Low latency on ProTools TDM - perhaps, but surely not on LE/Mpowered. High sound quality is a myth..... and it is not each and every pro out there though definitely a great percentage .....

Apple may never reach that - I mean, the high prices on ProTools are not that much the quality of the system but the differentiation to other DAWs. And if you just spend 20 000 US$ on a TDM-system, one will never admit, that one could have done the same with another system for 4 000 US$ or so. That is normal, it was so for years, in music studios, in animation studios, etc.

best

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 1:23 pm

Nuendo is making a pretty big dent in the PT world already IMO, so it's not THAT far fetched. Unlikely for sure, but with native processing now much farther along than Digi' dedicatd hardware, and for MUCH cheaper, I think unless DIgi changes their modus operendi (not likely), they're possibly going to be getting some stiff competition.

Whether that's Logic or Nuendo, orr something else it anyone's guess. No way Logic could take on PT as it is now, audio editing is painfully slow in comparison.

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 1:36 pm

Asking if Apple is going to knock Pro Tools out of business is like asking if Jazz Mutants is going to knock m-audio out of the controller business or if you aren't into producing music then it's like asking if Sharper Image is going to knock Walmart out of the shit you don't need business.

kb420 · Post by **kb420** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 1:56 pm

I would love to see the Pro Tools Evil Empire crumble, but it ain't gonna happen.

It's the industry standard, and I can't ever see that changing.

The only way that a new application would even have a chance would be to have the following features:

1.) It would have to have dedicated hardware interfaces that outperform the current Avid/Pro Tools hardware.

2.) It would have to be easier to use and more powerful than Pro Tools.

3.) It would have to be completely compatible with everything Pro Tools.

The only thing that would destroy the current Pro Tools, is the next version of Pro Tools.

steff3 · Post by **steff3** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:43 pm

[quote="kb420"]

1.) It would have to have dedicated hardware interfaces that outperform the current Avid/Pro Tools hardware.

2.) It would have to be easier to use and more powerful than Pro Tools.
[/quote]

I think - at least if one stays in audio domain - this is not that much of a problem ...... ok, zero latency real-time plugin fx is a domain where protools and comparable solutions are hard to catch ......

[quote="kb420"]
3.) It would have to be completely compatible with everything Pro Tools.
[/quote]

I think that is the major problem and the difference between pro software and amateur software like Cubase that breaks compatibility every few updates .....