time warping whole tracks for DJing / sets

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time warping whole tracks for DJing / sets

Post by convert » Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:40 am

It it required to time warp a whole track for DJing or just into's / outro's?

If the grid markers are all in the right places without adding further markers do you need to change anything?

Does anyone have any good tips for warping tracks? i have tried the tips in the tutorial but found that my tracks were not locking together very tight!
I followed the guide on how to loop sections of the track to check if the markers were right.....but It didn't sound very tight when i mixed two tracks together.

any tips on getting this right?

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Post by GUY SMILEY » Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:01 am

The warping in 6 is amazing compared to how it used to be. I used to have to show Ableton the initial kick of every 4 bars virtually !

Import your audio. Ableton automatically works out the timing for you (providing the option is set in preferences - it is by default)

Now you'll notice it isn't as tight as you'd want it to be. Zoom in as far as you can go on the attack portion of the firts beat in the track - and you'll notice that Live has (for some reason) not started point '1' at the beginning. drag the '1' pointer to the right slighlty until its at the very start of the attack (i.e. where the beginning of the first slope of the first beat is). Once you've done that right click on marker '1' and select 'loop from here' - there are about four options - I'd suggest loop from here.

Now check out where pointer '16' is located. It may be just past or just before the attack portion of the correctly identified beat, so double click on it and move it to the correct part of the waveform (i.e the beginning of the slope - as you did for marker '1')

Repeat this process for pointers 32, 48 etc etc (i.e. at regular intervals)
n:b if its a tune you've written yourself, you probaly won't need to do this as it will be locked solid anyway (providing its a midi generated kick) but if you're using a funk clip (say) recorded from a record you'll have to do it more regularly as the timing will be all over the shop (especially of the wow and flutter of your turntable is bad).

The main point thoughis that Live (for some reason) can't seem to find the first beat in the clip very effectively. Once you've 'shown it', everything gets a lot better !

Hope thats helpful. I've dj'ed out with ableton several times now - with a good midi controller, and a rack of effects sends all assigned to the midi controller its a hell of a lot of fun.

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Post by vinkalmann » Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:14 pm

^^ Good tips!

One thing to take away from that is that autowarp rarely, if ever, gets it perfect. It gets you off to a good start, but you always will need to make adjustments.

Have you checked out my warping tutorial at www.vinkalmann.com? It should get you off to a good start.
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[Guide to Mixing in Arrangement View^][Guide to Warping in Ableton Live^]

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Post by GUY SMILEY » Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:30 pm

heh heh cheers vinkalmann your tips have helped me along the way in thepast ;)

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Post by vinkalmann » Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:49 pm

GUY SMILEY wrote:heh heh cheers vinkalmann your tips have helped me along the way in thepast ;)
Cool man, glad to here it!
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[Guide to Mixing in Arrangement View^][Guide to Warping in Ableton Live^]

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Post by vinkalmann » Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:49 pm

GUY SMILEY wrote:heh heh cheers vinkalmann your tips have helped me along the way in thepast ;)
Cool man, glad to hear it!
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[Guide to Mixing in Arrangement View^][Guide to Warping in Ableton Live^]

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