Vocal Editing Help

Caymus Cab · Post by **Caymus Cab** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:47 am

Hi,

I have an acapella track where the vocalists
sings out a note for a "few seconds", I'm trying to loop a segment
of that vocal to drag out the note being sung for more than
a "few seconds"--> without hearing the loop points, timestretching
is out of the question, (tried it, sounds like shit).
so... I guess I'm looking for crossfades? to seamlessly
connect the loop points.. any ideas or help? or rather can this be done in Live?

thanks in advance

cc

OriginalSpaceMan · Post by **OriginalSpaceMan** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:16 am

Wow, that's a fun one. Make a copy of the clip and set the loop points where it repeats the note in a non-smooth fashion. Then, edit your envelope on the clip to fade the clip volume in and then back out without a flat point. Up then immediately down. Now, make a copy of the clip and put it into a separate track. I'm going to assume your loop segment is 8 beats long. So, one is in track 1, one is in track 2. Set both of those track outputs to track 3. Now, play them in a staggered fashion so they don't start at the same time, but where one starts when the other is half done. Now record both of those tracks into track 3 and hopefully you'll have one clip with a smooth loop.

terryhamel · Post by **terryhamel** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:19 am

It can be done several ways -

1) Trim the clip where you want the extension to begin. On the second half of the clip, time stretch to taste.

2) Duplicate the clip on a second track. Fade the first track's volume out. On the second track, warp to taste, then fade volume in.

2.1) As an alternative to volume fading, you can use the crossfader. Assign the first track to A. Assign the second track to B. Use the crossfader to taste.

Run both tracks raw (without effects or track adjustments) to a third track that contains effects and volume, which then gets sent to master. This lets you control one track (the third track) for those two vox tracks.

I used this technique when I recorded vocals in 6 takes. I trimmed and faded between tracks, but had all 6 routed to a "master" vox track that had compression, EQ and volume. This master track was routed to the master output.

Of course, if you want a specific sound on those two tracks (EQ or delay), you could keep them seperate. It all depends on what you want to achieve. Live is versatile like that.

See the built in tutorial on I/O track routing (or ask here).

-Terry

Clearscreen · Post by **Clearscreen** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:23 am

can't vouch for how well this'd work, but try freezing the reverb plugin at the point you want it to loop out. also, try dropping the vocal into simpler/sampler and looping the bit you want in that with a crossfade on the loop, then fade/drop it in where you need it. maybe with a bit of reverb to smooth out any funny stuff.

SilentSeed · Post by **SilentSeed** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:15 am

Exactly, the Simpler provides exactly what you need.

jesQuick · Post by **jesQuick** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:56 am

Have you tried Celemony Melodyne!? Theres a demo... It is actually quite good at that sort of thing...

Best

-j

Caymus Cab · Post by **Caymus Cab** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:02 pm

thank you for your responses!

laird · Post by **laird** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:34 pm

welcome to the wonderful world of sampling.

Yeah, you can use any of these techniques that involve CROSSFADING.

I suggest a sampler (almost any made since 1985 will do), and some time to get the loop points & crossfade lengths right.

You can sample an entire phrase, and have it loop on the note you want held. Then, if you have "sample and hold" selected and set the Release on the Amp ADSR to 127 (or whatever is maximum) when you let go of the key, the rest of the phrase will play