i use native instruments cracks

[Tarekith]

Except that SX3 itself wasn't cracked, the dongle software itself was. I was a paying steinberg customer since VST 2.4, and would use the crack on my laptop so i could keep the dongle in my studio on the destop system and not have to worry about losing it (since it costs the full price of SX3 to replace). Worked fine, plug ins and all, I never had a single issue with it in 2 years and dozens of songs.

I sold SX3 eventually when I went to an Intel Mac, and stopped using the crack too. Now if only Logic 7.2.3 was the same way, so I could stop getting somewhere far from home and realizing I left my stupid Apple dongle at home

Ableton will forever have my undying gratitude for not forcing those stupid things on legit customers....

[leedsquietman]

Well you were either lucky or did not use all the functions. If you don't like dongles then you shouldn't bother with the product. Besides, Steinberg will replace broken dongles for the cost of a new key, what they won't replace is lost/stolen dongles. Systems with dongles make poor choices for live use, so choosing something like Live for that purpose is a smart idea.

I hate dongles too but fact is many people use cracks of Live and all of those people on here who are talking about using cracks must fall under suspicion for using cracks of Live too. Most people who run cracks have no sense of loyalty to products, just a sense that they are entitled to everything without having to pay. And it is plain obvious that some people do.

Sonar doesn't have a dongle and plenty of people run cracks of it too. Some people are and will always be cheap and feel the world owes them a living.

[Machinesworking]

Personally i acknowledged a very simple, and somehow surprising thing to mac users; most software is ported to mac. Though software written on macs tends to be dead stable, and live up to Apple hype about the superiority of the closed hardware OS system and Unix underpinnings etc. software written first for windows OS, then ported, can sometimes be buggy.
With something like 12 software titles, and every format to support for every title, it's no wonder NI have issues with bugs on certain systems etc.

They do release things early, but WTF? we're just finally seeing UB beta versions of native OSX apps like DSP Quattro... the hoops that Apple has made people jump through in the last few years are big: OS9 to OSX, PPC to UB Intel, VST to AU, and who knows if leopard won't bring any rewrites to the developers.
Don't get me wrong, I just bought stock in Apple, I think the iPhone is going to be huge, but Apple have made it hard on people like NI.

Think about it, Live is an amazing piece of software, but it's essentially a single piece of software, even the embedded paid plug ins are not subject to AU/VST rules.

Reactor was made for PC then ported to mac, Absynth was the opposite, and the first couple versions of each showed that loyalty in stability. PC people would complain about Absynth, and mac users would complain about Reactor.

Anyway NI suck, but so does Apple, and Ableton, and your mom, and PSP and......

[Tone Deft]

Unlike anyone posting to this, it looks like john gordon got away from his computer this weekend. It'll be funny when he gets back.

Using cracks are like masturbation.
In the end you're only screwing yourself.

If you can't make music with a Mac or a PC you're a fucking moron. You are not what you own.

[Pantytec]

who cares. I don't blame him. What has NI came out with besides Battery that's been worth two shits, let alone one, in the last 10 years?

ok, they helped code the Beatport store. Ok, that's cool. Well than besides that? NI is a shit-ton of hype and I could care less about NI as a company, (except the Battery product).

[leedsquietman]

err... FM8, Kontakt, Reaktor, B4 II, Massive., Absynth.

All great softsynths. All of them have working demos, before splashing money on them maybe try the download demo first and if you're having problems then stay away??

[Oscar F]

Man I must be the odd one out here.
I have had great support from the Folks at NI (mind you I only use Reaktor 5).
That said it's a damn fine product and the User Library at NI is a godsend and then some.
If I where to purchase anything else from them I'd buy ( Absynth/FM8).
Reaktor 5 is damn stable on my XP based system.
I must be one of those boring ass legit users then I guess .
Your Logic 8 Thread was actually funny John - this one leaves a bit to be desired IMHO.

[lunabass]

What has NI came out with besides Battery that's been worth two shits, let alone one, in the last 10 years?

3 words:
Reaktor, Reaktor, Reaktor

that thing just blows me away. u dont even have to have an interest in making instruments...just search the user forum, there's every type of audio contraption you could ever want.

[ewistrand]

err... FM8, Kontakt, Reaktor, B4 II, Massive., Absynth.

All great softsynths. All of them have working demos, before splashing money on them maybe try the download demo first and if you're having problems then stay away??

Add to that Guitar Rig, Spektral Delay, Vokator, Akoustik Piano (especially when you use the pianos in Kontakt as part of a multi)... the list goes on

The only thing of theirs I haven't found exceptional is Bandstand, but I don't use GM anyways so it's a non-issue as far as I'm concerned.

ew

[dango]

+1

everything i have from NI i love. absynth is revolutionary (wish i never sold it , gonna re buy) kontakt and reaktor are amazing as is FM8.

battery i never liked, and after finding guru i found it blows doors on all softsynth drum toys. but they can't win them all.

[forge]

yes, im sure you do, especially when i read that you are form Glasgow.
i indeed heard that NI's next big idea is a polyphonic bagpipe vsti called "Skotch"

i owuld love somone to invent a bagpipe shaped midi controller

Is this close enough?

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~music/mcblare/

Jesus ma people left Glesgae tae get away fae they bagpipe bastards

noo the cunts are making robots te play em as well

worse still ye cannae get a robot too pished tae hod the bastard

[forge]

http://www.google.com/search?client=saf ... 8&oe=UTF-8

he he - that lead me to this article:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/germany/artic ... e_continue

"That's the last time I attempt to find work as a research chemist in Paraguay."

[eyeknow]

how did this thing get resurrected?

I do like seeing that nothing has changed......I'm again those against the law, bounce was going "tug tug tug" and so on.......nothing changes!

EXCEPT.......I've sold everything NI other than fm8........and that will probably go eventually since I'm becoming so "stripped down"......but then again.....it's by far the least cpu using/least crashing of all the ni stuff I've had.......

[Brainstormer]

I purchased Cubase in 1992 for the Atari ST, ended up using the crack version because the dongled version ran slower, it's been the same ever since. Dongles are the worst copy protection ever. The SX editions have to read subroutines from the dongle in order to use the key edit - not just to open the key edit, but for nearly every movement & command! Again, slowing it down. I can see exactly why they get cracked.

Just for the record, I've been a paying customer of Steinberg software up until I purchased Ableton.

Serial numbers / challenge response are the best copy protection in my opinion. It really doesn't matter how something is protected, someone will always manage to crack it. But making the software slower for paying customers is not the way for companies to go, they are just asking for trouble.

[yleh8k]

cracks are fine
if you have the money, buy the product .. if not, dont let your financial situation keep you from making music like anyone else!
music is not for the wealthy! *(except maybe classical, but thats pretentious, let them have it )