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smartass303 · Post by **smartass303** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:27 am

yleh8k wrote:cracks are fine
if you have the money, buy the product .. if not, dont let your financial situation keep you from making music like anyone else!
music is not for the wealthy! *(except maybe classical, but thats pretentious, let them have it )

+1
Its getting democratic in the computer music world... When i started making electronic music in the mid 90ees there where these two rich kids around the corner with a great studio, 24/8 soundcraft mixer, MS20, 303, Jomox, 606, Polysix, SH101 great PC with a legit Logic copy.

You can imagine how expensive that was.

Nowadays you need a fast computer and the internet and you can make hits, no problem!
Nowadays its the skills and not the money.

This is very good

leedsquietman · Post by **leedsquietman** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 12:00 pm

Nothing is stopping anyone from making music. You can get freeware such as Kristal, Audacity or Hammerhead for audio for free, or for less than 50 bucks 'lite' versions of ACID, Fruity Loops or Reaper. For less than a hundred bucks versions of Cubase and Sonar.

If you have no money - GET A JOB.

That bunk about 'democratic world' and using cracks if you have no money is just nonsense, If someone trashed your house and burgled all your stuff would you shrug your shoulders and say 'oh well, it's a democratic world and he had no money, so he was entitled to steal from me'. No, you'd want to tear the b*stard's head off and shit down his throat and at the thief's trial you'd want the judge to lock him up throw away the key.

smartass303 · Post by **smartass303** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:17 pm

Dude, you if have issues let me know.

Social segregation in computer music is gone, thats good!
People like nathan fake or james holden would never started making music in the first place when they would have to pay for (all of) their software.

Besides that warez and crackz are part of the computer business. People need to learn the expensive software, for themselves and at home! These people are needed in the Biz so its something like a law that expensive software is available as a crack ASAP.

Why dont you like the idea that everybody has the possibilities to make great music?
Is your music so bad that you are afraid of a 14 yo whiz kid making better beats than you?

I have seen the boundaries of the social segregation over money in the psy trance scene in northern germany in the 90ees. There was a little GREAT Stuff, and some dorks with HUGE studios and no idea what they are doing, their stuff got released, it was shite and nobody bought it.
Now there are some kids doing the really amazing stuff at home with a computer, an audio interface and some lousy speakers, THEY FUCKIN BURN!

Oh yeah, if you want to go pro and make a living aut of music and youre able to pay for the software go ahead and do it.

peace,

303

leedsquietman · Post by **leedsquietman** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:02 pm

This argument is redundant. Kids need to learn the value of a dollar and get a job. They also need to learn to avoid double standards (i.e. It's OK to steal software, but steal my Ipod and you're dead). Then a lot of these so called whizzkids have no problem trying to sell their music done on cracked software with little or no intention to buy the stuff later.

People make amazing stuff everyday using audacity and kristal which is freeware. Or stuff that comes bundled with soundcards such as Sonar and Cubase LE or Live Lite. A lot of kids have money to buy ipods and video games, so a lot of them could spare 50-100 dollars on ACID Express or Fruity Loops Studio or Sonar Home Studio etc. You don't need expensive software or hardware to make great music these days. Just creativity and that should come for free.

It's better to learn on that software first anyway before progressing to something as complicated as Live. And besides, kids are only a small part of the issue, there are many adults out there earning a great living who are just too CHEAP to buy software and who would shoot you if you tried to touch their stuff but who happily rip off software, which hurts companies and employees of those companies who also have families to feed etc. And this stuff about 'demoing a program and then buying it' occurs about once for every 500 illegal downloads. Why stop at ripping off software, how about all hell break loose and we can ransack the grocery store, the clothes store, the electronics store in the name of democracy. I've never heard about this democracy, this is known as anarchy. Anyway, karma has a way of making sure what goes around comes around.

Steinberg delete posts mentioning cracks and ban people who they know are running them. I wouldn't mind if Ableton did the same to protect their product. There are plenty of posts for crackers and people running cracks to post their warez information on, try VirusRUs.

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:29 pm

Downloading a copy of software is simply not the same as stealing something physical. It just isn't. Software is not a physical commodity that has production costs associated with each copy and that changes the way things work, whether you like it or not. I have to reiterate: An illegal copy does not equal a lost sale. These kids you speak about would not run out and spend 600 euros on Live if the cracks weren't available. It's not always a case of crack it or buy it, it's sometimes a case of crack it or do something else with your time. That should be clear as day to anyone with two collaborating brain cells.

Anyone making money using tools that weren't paid for is obviously doing something wrong - but a kid downloading a crack to kill some time and maybe make some tunes to impress his mates isn't IMHO doing anything but breaking the law... something I don't see as very serious.

You don't need expensive software or hardware to make great music these days. Just creativity and that should come for free.

Oh, I completely agree. But what, pray tell, is the difference to Ableton between someone using a cracked version of Live or completely different programme?

And this stuff about 'demoing a program and then buying it' occurs about once for every 500 illegal downloads.

Can you back that up with some independent statistics?

Also, you need to do some reading before you talk so much about karma. You don't seem to know what the word means.

smartass303 · Post by **smartass303** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:36 pm

Look, the crackerz are going to ransack the grocery store and after that all the coders are unemployed and die from starvation because they can`t eat their iPods and iPhones.

Goodness,

303

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:54 pm

smartass303 wrote:Look, the crackerz are going to ransack the grocery store and after that all the coders are unemployed and die from starvation because they can`t eat their iPods and iPhones.

Goodness,

303

Mm. Right.

Links to al-Qaeda!

leedsquietman · Post by **leedsquietman** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 3:19 pm

The laissez-faire attitude shown by some people here is symptomatic of the modern world. People start off condoning something small, then something medium then eventually why bother to be concerned about something huge until it's too late and totally out of control.

Why is something physical different? Because it JUST IS doesn't fly. And for me, kids are a minor part of the problem, although I wouldn't condone it. Any kid of mine downloading illegal cracks (and music) would have consequences to face.

The major problem is adults, many of whom have money available or who could put it on a credit card and pay it off over a few months but who are too cheap and morally bankrupt. I've seen various forums for warez where people are running studios and such. Amateur music not for profit is one thing but where people are making money off selling commercial product makes me wish the anonymous Waves guy with his 75,000 dollar lawsuit shows up.

Ableton imho should follow Steinberg's lead at Cubase.net and delete threads on warez and ban people running cracks. You have to enter your dongle code to be a member there, this forum would be better off with genuine users who care for and purchase the product. Most warez users have no loyalty to a product, just loyalty to their wallet and why should we provide them with tech support and advice through this forum?

Haselmeier · Post by **Haselmeier** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:02 pm

my 2 cents,
i have a job and working hard. if someone develop a good program, plug, vsti or whatever it is a honor to buy this product, so that this person is able to live from this money and can develop new products. most of the realy good things doesn't come from the big companies. so people which don't like to spent some money for the things they want to use don't have any character, and so sounds their music.
hey, we don't speak about MS or Adobe, which only ggetting so big, because they spreading their products without any protection all over the world, so that everybody knows them.
But to be honest, this thread was about NI. And i don't like them anymore, they realy don't care about their customers. I own most of their plugs, legal! Since 8 or 10 ten years i wasd one of the persons which spent each year a lot of money for all the updates. But the prices are for longtime-customers not fair. Since NI getting so big, they making nice offers to catch new customers, the old one did spent their money and are out of intrest. Also their support is very limited, if you have a bit deeper problems and want to get them fixed, the mostly used solution is to install everything again (incl. the OS). Shame on NI!
So i don't care if someone use NI-Cracks. The most bad thing about cracks are the protections fo the legal users, which driving me crazy. If you have system crash, you machine will be much faster in work again, iff you using high quality zzz
Well, last Plug i bought yesterday, look at this:

http://www.sonicprojects.ch/opxpro/broa ... html#unten
1
...and i loved to spent this money. Sounds excellent!

smartass303 · Post by **smartass303** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:55 pm

The laissez-faire attitude shown by some people here is symptomatic of the modern world. People start off condoning something small, then something medium then eventually why bother to be concerned about something huge until it's too late and totally out of control.

...says a guy from canada, you have a small car dont you? And your job is around the corner? Always taking the bus/train/bike, right!

Ableton imho should follow Steinberg's lead at Cubase.net and delete threads on warez and ban people running cracks. You have to enter your dongle code to be a member there, this forum would be better off with genuine users who care for and purchase the product. Most warez users have no loyalty to a product, just loyalty to their wallet and why should we provide them with tech support and advice through this forum?

Yeah, that would be so anal you would sure like it! And then? A ghost forum where leedsquitman is having nice conversations with Robert Henke < LAME!

I think more and more youre just a conservative, you dont want access to a posibillity for people making music on *your* level without any limitation (499,- EU for instance)...

Mm. Right.

Links to al-Qaeda!

listen to the danish people. I like their comics about mohammed, very funny!

rikhyray · Post by **rikhyray** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:39 pm

Let us face it EULAs were not revealed by Christ, Buddha or whatever Gods. Nobody is hungry or get AIDS because of warez. It is a fact that you get free versions of softwares with any silly soundcard or controller that are as good as some top versions from years back. There are plenty of freeware too but if some people use the cracks, who gets hurt really ?
Do your thing, do what you feel is right but if someone else see it different, has no hang ups using cracks, so what ? If the music is good in the end that is all that counts. If it would become known that some artist X made platinum album with cracked Live 6, even Ableton would profit from that.
What gets on my nerves are hypocrites like Steve Jobs preaching free downloads but guarding his source codes, why double standards. Songs, music are treated like a free whore but when it goes about software there is screaming FOUL! If it let some people create let them use the warez, I dont want them to bloody"get a job" let them do their music, I dont think being slave at McDonalds will turn them into better human beings then sitting in the garage making music with cracked Logic.
Anyway I doubt if anyone with such square headed , bourgeois ideas would be ever able to create any art, I am probably simply upseting some geeks..
I will always be on the side of a gypsy who stolen a horse to buy a guitar then a geek with his NI Komplete, Massive, Logic , Cubase with chain of dongles and no ideas.

condra · Post by **condra** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:26 pm

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:55 pm

1st let me just say there's a massive amount of FREE vst's that blow the doors off any payware you'd have to crack to use <-- you can bet that!!!

I just can't play judge and jury on someone because of their ethical choices when it comes to software...in a real life face to face situation I wouldn't give someone a hard time about a crack version of Battery so why would I do it here.

some people feel strongly both ways and that's fair - the Internet has changed the way we look at the world and some real world ethics just don't / can't relate to the cyber world we live in from time to time <----> like how do you enforce inter laws and theft and what not???????

do developers loose out - I don't know

someone said they do and will go broke <--> well maybe they shouldn't develop for a software music company

some said if you can't afford the plugs get a job <--> well maybe they don't want to

I mean it's a win win loose loose situation when it comes to cracks - what are you gonna do?

personally if I can't afford it I don't want it - but I've spent waaaaaaaaaaaaay to much money on plugs I've never used and lost money on the re-sale which just turns me off to payware so...

I use a lot of free plug ins and Reason and get by pretty good

john gordon · Post by **john gordon** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:41 pm

i have a crack of ableton for my iphone.ver.6.5.it also has a slicer.

NewSc2 · Post by **NewSc2** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:51 pm

I used a cracked copy of Windows XP for a long time. Now I'm on a Mac.