i use native instruments cracks

the girl next door · Post by **the girl next door** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:01 pm

I have a crack in my arse

franknputer · Post by **franknputer** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:21 pm

That's fine - the trouble starts when you start sharing it with everybody on the 'net...

ewistrand · Post by **ewistrand** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:21 pm

smartass303 wrote:Dude, you if have issues let me know.

OK... I have issues. Shall we begin?

Social segregation in computer music is gone, thats good!
People like nathan fake or james holden would never started making music in the first place when they would have to pay for (all of) their software.

Or they could do what I did when I started out 30 odd years ago- work a couple jobs and go into debt for a while to buy gear. I worked 40 hours a week at a lame job and also gigged five nights a week to buy my gear; why couldn't they do the same?

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Besides that warez and crackz are part of the computer business. People need to learn the expensive software, for themselves and at home! These people are needed in the Biz so its something like a law that expensive software is available as a crack ASAP.

Why? They should start off with something free or affordable, and see if they have something going. If they're serious about their art, they'll find a way to pay for the big stuff.
If you aren't willing to make sacrifices for your art, you have no business being an artist.

Why dont you like the idea that everybody has the possibilities to make great music?

Everybody does have the possibility. As pointed out, there's many great freeware and low-cost apps out there. It's not the tools; it's the person using them that makes the music good.

Is your music so bad that you are afraid of a 14 yo whiz kid making better beats than you? :?

I don't make beats, so that doesn't apply in my case. There's always some young kid who's more talented than any of us here on this board; more power to him! However, he's got to learn to respect the rights of the people making the tools he's using if he's going to progress as a human being.

I have seen the boundaries of the social segregation over money in the psy trance scene in northern germany in the 90ees. There was a little GREAT Stuff, and some dorks with HUGE studios and no idea what they are doing, their stuff got released, it was shite and nobody bought it.
Now there are some kids doing the really amazing stuff at home with a computer, an audio interface and some lousy speakers, THEY FUCKIN BURN!

There will always be people with more money than talent. As for the amazing kids, they'll sound just as amazing using the free/cheap stuff. As a matter of fact, they'll seem more amazing. "Wow! You did that all with freeware?"

Oh yeah, if you want to go pro and make a living aut of music and youre able to pay for the software go ahead and do it.

No- if you're using the software, pay for it.

ew

bigbadotis · Post by **bigbadotis** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:50 pm

So right now we have three concepts going in this thread:

1. Buy the software you use
2. Use freeware
3. Use cracks

There is a 4th model, and that's donationware. If instead of supporting companies, we all supported open-source software development with our dollars, this whole discussion would eventually be moot. Software developers could make money via services / donations, people with less money could still have access to software without having to do anything illegal. Everybody wins.

I don't think it's viable to do this right now necessarily. For example, there's no open source application that takes the place of Live on Linux. But Max/MSP? Logic? Photoshop? There are excellent alternatives to all of these.

I still buy software and I love Live, but I look forward to a time when the mindset of consumers is changed to a way that promotes alternative models of software development.

ewistrand · Post by **ewistrand** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:12 pm

That's a very good point. Open source is the wave of the future, be it alternative OS such as Linux, or the apps themselves.

Donationware as you pointed out's a good idea. Another that appeals to me is time limited licenses, such as the software leasing you see with the big studio suppliers. For an annual or some other specified duration license fee, you can use any software that they have, adding and changing around when necessary. At the end of the year, the apps lock up unless you renew the license. This would give the end user a chance to give everything a serious run through, with full functionality. If the user decides the app's worth keeping, he can either buy it or renew the lease.

ew

friend_kami · Post by **friend_kami** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:05 am

leedsquietman wrote:
If you have no money - GET A JOB.

now. before i reply to this quote here let me just say that im not syaing that warez is wrong, nor am i saying that its right.

but for the sake of the discussion:
i cant get a job.
i cant work.
im sick, ive got a permanent condition + im not even allowed to work, as it would only make things worse.
still i love music, listening to it aswell as making it.
sure i could go the freeware way aka ubunto studio (and similar), but that option seems like a step backwards rather then forwards to me.
again im not defending the use of warez, nor am i attacking it.
its just for the sake of the argument.
not everyone can get a job, so thats a stupid thing to say.

also i would like to give a +1 on the option "donationware".
ofcourse one could always build it yourself, whether its software or hardware.
its more fun too, provided that you have the patience and the determination to learn how to.
^^.

leedsquietman · Post by **leedsquietman** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:19 am

Listen, I agree that 499 is too much money for Live imho and such and Ableton ought to make a lighter version available for say $99 for kids and people maybe it can run 16 audio and 16 midi tracks and have some effects and features taken out, Like a souped up live lite. Then some people who are using cracks might go legit, although probably not because they think the world owes them a living and are too damned cheap.

Who wouldn't want to be in a forum with Robert Henke

Oh yeah baby !

Why the judgements anyway? I have an opinion on using cracked software, I haven't gotten personal with anyone. I am not stereotyping individuals based on geographic location.

FYI I am not a conservative, but so what, even conservatives make music ! I even laughed at Djadonis when he said 'some people get suggested get a job but some people don't want to

'. I'm with ewi in that I work and work my ass off to pay for my music technology and it kind of bugs me that lazy assed people or people who are too cheap to buy it steal it.

I also agree that kids should start with something free or affordable, rather than running cracks. The music is no less good if it's made in Acid XMC or the basic Fruity Loops or freeware than it is in Live. But whatever, I've said my piece and I'm not wasting my time arguing this anymore.

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:55 am

ewistrand wrote:This would give the end user a chance to give everything a serious run through, with full functionality. If the user decides the app's worth keeping, he can either buy it or renew the lease.

ew

I DEFINITELY wish more companies offered a payable trial period, say $20-35 or so for two to 3 months use. Most demo versions or trial periods are just too short for me to know if I'll like something or not. It can take me 3-4 weeks to write a song, how can i tell if I like a plug in or not in a week or two?

Good idea Ew

friend_kami · Post by **friend_kami** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:39 am

Tarekith wrote:
ewistrand wrote:This would give the end user a chance to give everything a serious run through, with full functionality. If the user decides the app's worth keeping, he can either buy it or renew the lease.

ew
I DEFINITELY wish more companies offered a payable trial period, say $20-35 or so for two to 3 months use. Most demo versions or trial periods are just too short for me to know if I'll like something or not. It can take me 3-4 weeks to write a song, how can i tell if I like a plug in or not in a week or two?

Good idea Ew

not to mention that it can take up to atleast a month to figure out how to use something good enough for it to be a reason to purchase or not.

eyeknow · Post by **eyeknow** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:48 am

sorry guys, I have to disagree on the "time trial" theory.....

10 days + seems pretty darn fair to me.....and these companies are trying to make cash in a VERY competitive market.

However, I do wish that those time periods were "sequential" where instead of a plain "ten day" etc.....it was per use 10 days......if you catch my drift......

smartass303 · Post by **smartass303** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:40 am

Why the judgements anyway? I have an opinion on using cracked software, I haven't gotten personal with anyone. I am not stereotyping individuals based on geographic location.

Me getting personal?

I do, go ride a bike, redneck (is there a similarity in canada?)!

lunabass · Post by **lunabass** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:00 am

where you from smartass?

smartass303 · Post by **smartass303** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:24 am

I live in Siberia right next to Alaska and work in the oil Biz...
seriously!

I live in europe in a big city with very good public transportation (trains and busses to everywhere like every 5-10 minutes on daytime, trains 24 hrs on the weekends). In the summerime i go everywhere by bike or walk everywhere because my city is just so beautiful!
For long distance travelling i always try to take the train (very good railway situation here, a bit pricey but its ok, i can drink beers when i travel, very nice!) or team up with other people to share a car...
I never thought about getting a drivers license because i wanted a 303.

So where do i live now?

303

leedsquietman · Post by **leedsquietman** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:26 am

I like riding bikes, better than getting in a Hummer to go 50 yards to pick up milk at the corner store ...

Redneck, yeehaw that was so witty !

I still didn't get personal with anyone, I never insulted anybody directly, just stated an opinion on using cracks. I could come back at ya quite easily but frankly it's more fun watching paint dry...

rikhyray · Post by **rikhyray** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:29 am

smartass303 wrote:I live in Siberia right next to Alaska and work in the oil Biz...
seriously!

I live in europe in a big city with very good public transportation (trains and busses to everywhere like every 5-10 minutes on daytime, trains 24 hrs on the weekends). In the summerime i go everywhere by bike or walk everywhere because my city is just so beautiful!
For long distance travelling i always try to take the train (very good railway situation here, a bit pricey but its ok, i can drink beers when i travel, very nice!) or team up with other people to share a car...
I never thought about getting a drivers license because i wanted a 303.

So where do i live now?

303

Hamburg?