A question for all you mac users...

[Tarekith]

To be fair, Logic might not totally crash on me, but even on a fresh install of OSX on a new MBP, I still get unexplained core audio errors and inconsistant behaviour at times (dragged regions don't always snap as they are supposed to).

[popslut]

To be fair, Logic might not totally crash on me, but even on a fresh install of OSX on a new MBP, I still get unexplained core audio errors and inconsistant behaviour at times (dragged regions don't always snap as they are supposed to).

Ssshh!

No you don't.

You only get errors on PCs.

Macs "just work".

[Tarekith]

And I started getting weird region redraw errors last night in Logic

Honestly, Logic is the only Apple app I've used that was not dead easy to figure out and worked perfectly right away. Here's to hoping Logic 8 is better, though I'm "THIS" close to coming back to Live anyway...

[wilxon]

Why do mac users away babble on about their beloved macs? There's a lad at work here who never fucking shuts up about them. I mean really, what's so great about them? "They look better" - no they don't, they look like a throwback from the 80's; "They perform better" - no they don't, on a pound-by-pound (dollar-by-dollar) basis pc's/laptop's out-perform them; "They never crash" - bollocks, they crash just as much as a pc running XP; "They're built better" - for what exactly? I not gonna take it on a building site.

I've never once heard a decent argument that clearly states why macs are so much better (I think you're all just blinded by the supposed 'coolness factor') but feel free to try.

i guess you are obviously a frustrated PC user.

No point in arguing with you, the good thing about MBP's is that they are built better, the quality is far superior, and they cope much better with creative applications such as Live 6 and they never need restarting and absolutely never crash.

Have you ever considered this though -

Mac users are all HAPPY PEOPLE who are kind, pleasant and helpfull.
PC users - such as yourself are always frustrated and angry just trying to hit back and blame mac users for your problems.


Maybe the guy at work that doesnt stop going on about macs can see that you are wound up about the whole thing.

[wilxon]

And I started getting weird region redraw errors last night in Logic

Honestly, Logic is the only Apple app I've used that was not dead easy to figure out and worked perfectly right away. Here's to hoping Logic 8 is better, though I'm "THIS" close to coming back to Live anyway...

Come back to live.


Logic is an ironic blag.

it should be called Illogic

[wilxon]

I was on Pc's since 1995 ...
loved it.

but had lots of bugs to fix and fix and refix etc. (say I did'nt use it good, yes perhaps...)

I bought a macbook in february 2007

(of course with new soft live 6, but lots of free stuff on the web -DAW, soud editors, cd burners...)


I use it like I used my pc's (perhap's not good, perhap's) AND IT WORKS GREAT.

I love my macbook because :


I AM NOT AFRAID ANYMORE.

I can say YES noproblem when somenone invites me to play in a gig,


Macbook works, and it's all. No bug fixing, driver searching or else, limitations are just hardware.

and the mac users community is so practical, we all got the same specs !!! so we have an answer for each problem, and quickly.


BTW I find it ugly (white macbook), but really useful, handy, compact,

and it works, that's all.

cheers

+1

same story but macbook pro.

[Oscar F]

No point in arguing with you, the good thing about MBP's is that they are built better, the quality is far superior, and they cope much better with creative applications such as Live 6 and they never need restarting and absolutely never crash.

Have you ever considered this though -

Mac users are all HAPPY PEOPLE who are kind, pleasant and helpfull.
PC users - such as yourself are always frustrated and angry just trying to hit back and blame mac users for your problems.

Oh please that's an absolute laugh - especially the comments in BOLD.
Besides which a happy person is a happy person and an asshole is an asshole irrespective of the computer platform they use.
The gross generalizations are rather amusing none the less.
Sings "Shiny happy people holding hands" - could be a new tune for iWhatever is coming next at a Starbucks and TurtleNeck wearing convention near you.
Just for the record I don't actually have a preference for either platform but Vista / Windows 2000 / ME and 98 all sucked major goats gonads and then some.

[Tarekith]

And I started getting weird region redraw errors last night in Logic

Honestly, Logic is the only Apple app I've used that was not dead easy to figure out and worked perfectly right away. Here's to hoping Logic 8 is better, though I'm "THIS" close to coming back to Live anyway...

Come back to live.

That's today's plan actually, now that the Zebra2 bug is fixed, it's actually an option for me.

[wilxon]

No point in arguing with you, the good thing about MBP's is that they are built better, the quality is far superior, and they cope much better with creative applications such as Live 6 and they never need restarting and absolutely never crash.

Have you ever considered this though -

Mac users are all HAPPY PEOPLE who are kind, pleasant and helpfull.
PC users - such as yourself are always frustrated and angry just trying to hit back and blame mac users for your problems.

Oh please that's an absolute laugh - especially the comments in BOLD.
Besides which a happy person is a happy person and an asshole is an asshole irrespective of the computer platform they use.
The gross generalizations are rather amusing none the less.
Sings "Shiny happy people holding hands" - could be a new tune for iWhatever is coming next at a Starbucks and TurtleNeck wearing convention near you.
Just for the record I don't actually have a preference for either platform but Vista / Windows 2000 / ME and 98 all sucked major goats gonads and then some.

Your comments in bold describe my post entirely.


did you read the bit in my post about mac users being able to wind PC users up????


my point exactly.


And macs dont crash, ever. PC's always crash all of the time


Besides i do believe that Apple computers are built/look/feel better than most if not all others regardless of what platform you wish to install and use.

mac is the platform, apple is the computer manufacturer.

[wilxon]

Hey Monkey,
I think he's right! You sound like you might be looking to be convinced that macs are worth it. I'm as tired of everyone else here about mac v pc debates. But you pose a good question as to why personally people really feel there is a choice. I can't really say macs are better than pcs. I just know they are better for me. MUCH better.

Thanks for the input, and MacBoob could well be right, maybe I am leaning towards a mac. I've been put off in the past mainly due to fuckwits telling me how 'cool' they are without giving any real answers as to why they are so good, and also because of a certain amount of anti-microsoft spiel, which again is a crap argument - for all their flaws, microsoft have without doubt added a phenomenal amount of advancements within IT in the past (and also produce the .NET development tools I use on a daily basis to earn a living, but that's another story...). However, on the microsoft theme, I think Vista is the biggest pile of shit I've ever seen, completely unnecessary yet will soon be forced on everyone whether they like it or not, so I guess I'm more open to switching working environments. It's just the joining the mac club that makes me feel a bit uneasy, it has a whiff of elitism to it that I'd rather avoid. I'd also have to start from scratch buying all the audio software.

To post a more serious answer.

UNtil november last year i had a lifebook from fujitsu siemens. A good powerful laptop, but when i started a clip in live it would struggle, get a cpu spike, and then glitch. Then it would be fine for about 10 - 30 mins bfore doing it again.

big problem when playing gigs.

I tried everyhing - new HD, Ram, Soundcards, reinstall, cubase, audition, standalone vst's and still this would happen in all progs.

In the end i caved in. I didnt like the idea of learning a new OS - for that reason i stayed away from OSX for so long. As soon as the C2D's came out i bought one.

Windows was/is still being used in Parallels, i used windows a lot at first but now its just an engine so i can still use fruityloops and audition.

OSX when you get the hang of it is just a fantastic operating system - dont get me wrong i really liked XP, but OSX just seems to be more about being creative instead of problematic, and everything is easy.

Also - you can do things like plug in midi interfaces and instruments and live instantly recognises them. I remember in windows live needed to be restarted - which is a fucker playing live gigs.


In answer to your comment. Parallels 3 is very good with the .net stuff - i run ACAD 2007 for work, as well as a lot of other things and it works flawlessly.

You still have all of the networking options and i can guarantee that anybody walking past will not be able to tell that you are not running windows as your first OS.

The real beauty is that its like having 2 computers - a mac and a pc. Parallels opens network connections so that all of your windows files are accessable by the mac os & vice versa, you can even open windows based programs like they are on the mac from the mac in coherence mode.

It is amazing.



And most music software is dual platform these days innit. All the stienberg except wavelab, all NI, Live 6 etc etc wont cost you to switch.

[wilxon]

And I started getting weird region redraw errors last night in Logic

Honestly, Logic is the only Apple app I've used that was not dead easy to figure out and worked perfectly right away. Here's to hoping Logic 8 is better, though I'm "THIS" close to coming back to Live anyway...

Come back to live.

That's today's plan actually, now that the Zebra2 bug is fixed, it's actually an option for me.

cool

[gomi]

Thanks Tarekith, that's more the sort of answer I'm looking for, the sort of things that affect you as a user on a day-to-day basis, not the usual " 'cos they look better" bollocks. So why is there no defragging?

OSX's HFS+ file system does it automatically. There are tools to do it manually, though.

it only defrags files under 20megs.

anything bigger and you need an app, i suggest idefrag it works beautifully.

[gomi]

Oh please that's an absolute laugh - especially the comments in BOLD.
Besides which a happy person is a happy person and an asshole is an asshole irrespective of the computer platform they use.

i have yet to have ableton 6.07 crash on me on my new 2.2ghz mbp.

seriously.

however i have had firefox crash about a bajillion times, because
those guys obviously had no idea..

[wilxon]

Thanks Tarekith, that's more the sort of answer I'm looking for, the sort of things that affect you as a user on a day-to-day basis, not the usual " 'cos they look better" bollocks. So why is there no defragging?

OSX's HFS+ file system does it automatically. There are tools to do it manually, though.

it only defrags files under 20megs.

anything bigger and you need an app, i suggest idefrag it works beautifully.

And its cheap as well.

Also - with intel mac i would advise getting Xslimmer & Appzapper.

UB code has code for both intels & PPC. Xslimmer strips out the PPC code saving HD space.

Also Appzapper finds most associated files with an application that need uninstalling too.

[wilxon]

Oh please that's an absolute laugh - especially the comments in BOLD.
Besides which a happy person is a happy person and an asshole is an asshole irrespective of the computer platform they use.

i have yet to have ableton 6.07 crash on me on my new 2.2ghz mbp.

seriously.

however i have had firefox crash about a bajillion times, because
those guys obviously had no idea..

I always get firefox refusing to activate links.

Just a simple quit firefox and restart sorts it out.

Why do i use it?? 100 times better than safari.



Never had a problem with Live, in the 8 months ive had it.

Only had problems with Cubase - so ijust dont use it. No poiny using unhappy programs like cubase 4. I dont think they carried out any mac testing.