A question for all you mac users...

[Oscar F]

No point in arguing with you, the good thing about MBP's is that they are built better, the quality is far superior, and they cope much better with creative applications such as Live 6 and they never need restarting and absolutely never crash.

Have you ever considered this though -

Mac users are all HAPPY PEOPLE who are kind, pleasant and helpfull.
PC users - such as yourself are always frustrated and angry just trying to hit back and blame mac users for your problems.

Oh please that's an absolute laugh - especially the comments in BOLD.
Besides which a happy person is a happy person and an asshole is an asshole irrespective of the computer platform they use.
The gross generalizations are rather amusing none the less.
Sings "Shiny happy people holding hands" - could be a new tune for iWhatever is coming next at a Starbucks and TurtleNeck wearing convention near you.
Just for the record I don't actually have a preference for either platform but Vista / Windows 2000 / ME and 98 all sucked major goats gonads and then some.

Your comments in bold describe my post entirely.


did you read the bit in my post about mac users being able to wind PC users up????


my point exactly.


And macs dont crash, ever. PC's always crash all of the time


Besides i do believe that Apple computers are built/look/feel better than most if not all others regardless of what platform you wish to install and use.

mac is the platform, apple is the computer manufacturer.

That only holds true of course if you wish to assume I am a PC user .

[wilxon]

Oh please that's an absolute laugh - especially the comments in BOLD.
Besides which a happy person is a happy person and an asshole is an asshole irrespective of the computer platform they use.
The gross generalizations are rather amusing none the less.
Sings "Shiny happy people holding hands" - could be a new tune for iWhatever is coming next at a Starbucks and TurtleNeck wearing convention near you.
Just for the record I don't actually have a preference for either platform but Vista / Windows 2000 / ME and 98 all sucked major goats gonads and then some.

Your comments in bold describe my post entirely.


did you read the bit in my post about mac users being able to wind PC users up????


my point exactly.


And macs dont crash, ever. PC's always crash all of the time


Besides i do believe that Apple computers are built/look/feel better than most if not all others regardless of what platform you wish to install and use.

mac is the platform, apple is the computer manufacturer.

That only holds true of course if you wish to assume I am a PC user .

Ha, i put that down to probability - due to the fact that you appeared to be a little wound up, but then you didnt have anything nice to say about windows other than XP.

[jesso]

The only reason to buy a pc is cos you cant afford a mac.
There may be other people out there who spent a lot on pcs, and now want a mac, but cant be arsed with the swap, cos the pc stuff goes ok.
Then there are a few who like pcs cos they are more customisable and tweakabele, and geeks like that kind of thing, and who am I to disaprove.
Its all cool, who gives a fuck really. Why am I writing this again?
Oh yeah, personally, the only reason I would own a pc is because I couldnt afford a mac.

[popslut]

The only reason to buy a pc is cos you cant afford a mac.

I can afford as many Macs as I want.

Still not interested.

Sorry.

[wilxon]

The only reason to buy a pc is cos you cant afford a mac.

I can afford as many Macs as I want.

Still not interested.

Sorry.

Now that is fair enough. dont want one - dont buy one.


Have you ever owned a mac??


Yes = fair enough again, you have an opinion based on personal preference.

No??

Have you ever used one?

Yes = fair enough again, you have an opinion based on very limited personal preference.

No = Narrow mindedness - how can you not be interested in someting that you have never bothered to have a go of.




The same goes for mac users in reverse who have never bothered with a pc, but i bet there are not many mac users who have never had a go of a PC.

[Machinesworking]

Thanks Tarekith, that's more the sort of answer I'm looking for, the sort of things that affect you as a user on a day-to-day basis, not the usual " 'cos they look better" bollocks. So why is there no defragging?

OSX's HFS+ file system does it automatically. There are tools to do it manually, though.

it only defrags files under 20megs.

anything bigger and you need an app, i suggest idefrag it works beautifully.

OK I'm curious about this, where did you get your information from?
Apple themselves do not recommend defragging.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25668

Common computer optimization rule number one is to not load ANY HD more than 75%, but if you load a music/videoa etc. HD more than 75% a defragging utility might help. Of course the most logical thing to do is get another HD and load some of the files over to the new HD. This automatically defrags the files, no matter what size.
As the article states the best way to defrag is to transfer contents between HD's.


Mac VS PC is a lame argument. OSX is a great OS, but XP/Vista is able to run on any PC. Both have their pluses. Especially in the music realm. If I didn't own two PPC machines I would probably use both at different times.

[nolus]

I like Mac versus PC debates because it helps me to see which forum members are sensible, level headed people and which ones are nut jobs to be taken with a pinch of salt.

[Akshara]

I've never once heard a decent argument that clearly states why macs are so much better (I think you're all just blinded by the supposed 'coolness factor') but feel free to try.

Over the decades I've worked with PCs and Macs on almost equal levels, both at home and at work. Like many here, I'm one of those friends you call when something stops working, or you need tech or purchasing advice. At times I've done PC/Mac tech support as a side gig for extra cash. My current home studio system and office system are both WinXP PC desktops that I designed and built myself; yet the recording studio I work with and helped to design uses Macs exclusively.

In my opinion, the reason Macs are "so much better" is in regard to how easily right-brained and intuitive users are able to connect with them and use them to accomplish tasks. I know many average, everyday people who, if I sit down with in front of a Windows PC, will eventually shut down on a creative or intellectual level - it's like their brains have an auto-response to working in Windows, like they're staring at a database or an algebra equation.

Meanwhile, sit those same people down in front of a Mac, and though there might be some inital fears to overcome at first, for the most part, once they start getting the hang of it they just light up at the possibilites and really get into using their computers. I think this is partly why Mac users are so fanatical about their computers - with a Mac, the average person who is often intimated by technology can do all of this very cool and complicated stuff, joining the 21st century and the current tech wave, without being a tech-head or a supposed slave to technology.

The other reason I like Macs is their design approach... I've built and opened so many PC systems over the years. When I opened our studio's quad core Mac Pro to install some hardware, I literally sat back and stared at it for awhile. It was like looking at a piece of art - the beauty and simplicity were actually moving to me, like staring at a Monet or something. I have never had that kind of emotional experience when opening a PC, it's somewhat silly to even think of; yet that emotional response evoked in me points to an elusive intagible which Apple has.

On a practical level, a tech savvy person can accompish whatever they want to do on either a WinPC, a Linux PC or an Apple/Win Mac - it doesn't matter. It's more of a choice about the software and hardware path one wants to invest in over the longterm. The beauty of the new Intel Mac systems is that for the first time ever one doesn't have to choose either/or - one can run both OSX and Windows on the same, powerful system. That's not possible on a non-Mac system; and so by default that gives Mac at least a few more points in the "better" column.

[popslut]

The only reason to buy a pc is cos you cant afford a mac.

I can afford as many Macs as I want.

Still not interested.

Sorry.

Have you ever owned a mac??


Yes = fair enough again, you have an opinion based on personal preference.

No??

Have you ever used one?

Yes = fair enough again, you have an opinion based on very limited personal preference.

I've been using Macs in my work since about 1996, starting with Digidesign Sound Designer II on a Mackintosh LCII.

As a professional recording/mix engineer I've used all iterations of Mac development since then, as a result of the ubiquity of PT in the recording industry.

As tools, setup to perform a specialised function such as a DAW, they are adequate. I find them a little sluggish and I dislike the air of "form over function" that pervades their design ethic. I also dislike their lack of customisability and the way they become obsolete every two years.

I find them just as reliable as PC's [a computer is only as good as the person who maintains it and anyone who says Macs require no mantainence is talking out of their brown eye...] and statistically speaking, over the years I've sworn at and rebooted just as many Macs as I have PC's.

I dislike the entire Apple ethos of proprietary systems and icon worship. When I decided to buy an mp3 player this week I found I had a choice between an iPod which restricts me to buying my music from iTunes, with all the iTunes restrictions and proprietary enclosure, or a Creative Zen which will happily accept any file I wish to place on it from anywhere at all. It also sounds great, looks great [!!!] and functions exactly as I would expect it to.

[dango]

When I decided to buy an mp3 player this week I found I had a choice between an iPod which restricts me to buying my music from iTunes, with all the iTunes restrictions and proprietary enclosure, or a Creative Zen which will happily accept any file I wish to place on it from anywhere at all. It also sounds great, looks great [!!!] and functions exactly as I would expect it to.

what are you talking about? i can put anyting and everything on my iPod.

[popslut]

what are you talking about? i can put anyting and everything on my iPod.

A story garnering a lot of press attention lately is about a hacker who has reverse-engineered FairPlay. Currently, FairPlay-protected iTunes tracks won't play on any other digital music players, and tracks purchased from other online music stores won't play on iPods.

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/hughes/6516

Today, songs purchased from Apple's online iTunes Music Store can't be played on portable devices made by other companies. Songs bought from many other online music stores also won't work on iPods because they similarly use a form of copy-protection that Apple doesn't support.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/ ... ohn25.html

[popslut]

When I opened our studio's quad core Mac Pro to install some hardware, I literally sat back and stared at it for awhile. It was like looking at a piece of art - the beauty and simplicity were actually moving to me, like staring at a Monet or something. I have never had that kind of emotional experience when opening a PC, it's somewhat silly to even think of; yet that emotional response evoked in me points to an elusive intagible which Apple has.

I think we're getting down to the truth of the matter now. This kind of fetishising of computer hardware seems to be exclusive to Apple devotees.

Those quotes I posted from iPhone purchasers earlier this week have a chilling kind of quality about them:

"It feels great, oh my God, overwhelming. I never thought this day would come - and now it finally has, it's mind-blowing,"

"I can't think of another product launch that has been like this. When we went into the store I was almost moved to tears, it just made you feel really special."

I find them quite unnerving to be honest. It's like a mixture of subtle marketing and lack of genuine love in their lives has caused them to fixate on a piece of electronic equipment - but only that which carries the sign of the Apple.



I never feel inclined to open my computer and masturbate over its components.

That is not intended as a criticism of anyone. I have a friend who enjoys having his girlfriend shit on his chest and I don't share that fetish either.

Each to his own and all that.


I just need my computer to switch on, run my software and switch off. Nothing more.

I certainly don't need it to reinforce my sense of social identity or make me feel warm and fuzzy inside.


I prefer people for that.

[Machinesworking]

That is not intended as a criticism of anyone. I have a friend who enjoys having his girlfriend shit on his chest and I don't share that fetish either.

Each to his own and all that.


I just need my computer to switch on, run my software and switch off. Nothing more.

I certainly don't need it to reinforce my sense of social identity or make me feel warm and fuzzy inside.


I prefer people for that.

A: You have some really screwed up friends.

B: Not every mac user fetishizes the "experience".

C: There are plenty of people like me who prefer the relatively speaking safety on the internet, and the OS itself.
That in no way is fetishistic. Honestly, the Audio MIDI set up in OSX is miles above XP, and Vista is not baked completely in that department, good ideas, but not really ready.

D: You can talk for days about Mac fans acting strange, etc., but it seems to me that "PC users" are more likely to attack the personality of the "Mac user", making an issue out of the marketing of Apple products on a much more consistent basis than is really necessary.

On this last point, this is VERY true for me personally off the internet in day to day conversations with people. People act VERY defensive when you say you use Macs, and have quite often gone on the offense, wanting to debate me, and make Apple out to be the brainwashing marketing empire, and PC's as the poor mans bastion of rationality etc.
This is maddeningly consistent, and I NEVER question their use of PC's over Macs before any of this starts; drives me nuts.

[bigbadotis]

why is it better to have all windows shareing the same menu bar instead of each having its own? seems like pure bloody mindedness to me.

one aspect of this that is really nice is that you never overshoot the menubar. It makes the menu targets easier to hit... you really only have to worry about the horizontal position, for vertical you just fling your mouse (or finger, or stylus) up.

Of course, if you're running apps fullscreen in windows this is no big deal, but otherwise it is a pretty substantial UI improvement as far as I'm concerned. I'm also pretty sure that this is a patented aspect of the Mac OS, which is why other operating systems haven't implemented it.

[hambone1]

Using both every day, I can say that it's not necessarily Macs that I prefer, but OS X. As a designer, I do appreciate the Apple industrial design ethic, though.

It IS entertaining to read these Mac-bashing threads though. IMO, they seem to be perpetuated by those who harbor a secret Mac love, but are in denial can't admit it.

At the end of the day, a computer is just another electronic box, a tool. Fender vs Gibson, etc.

And you'll always find people who have a passion for their tool!