Off timing?

[beats me]

I'm having a disagreement with a vocalist that did some vocals for one of my tracks. She seems to think that the vocals in the chorus come in a little early but I think what she is hearing is the reverse reverb I made for the part. So I thought I would ask the opinion of somebody that hasn't been tooling around with the song for hours on end. The beginning of the chorus might be a bit hard to make a decision on but by the first "so" it sounds dead on (in my opinion).

The track is called Breathless featuring 3inteck and is the first track that can be found here:

http://www.virb.com/minusyou

Thanks for letting me use your fresh ears.

[unition]

I agree with the vocalist, its to early

[beats me]

Thanks for checking it out. I guess I am outvoted 2 to 1. I think it's a transalation problem between her program and Ableton and it's hard to tell when there is no drum or click track behind what she sends me, but I have noticed slight delays in when people send me isolated tracks done on programs other than Ableton. Warping issue?

Guess I gotta play with the track offset.

[gomi]

Thanks for checking it out. I guess I am outvoted 2 to 1. I think it's a transalation problem between her program and Ableton and it's hard to tell when there is no drum or click track behind what she sends me, but I have noticed slight delays in when people send me isolated tracks done on programs other than Ableton. Warping issue?

Guess I gotta play with the track offset.

in the post production industry we work with a thing called the 2pop.

i have found this very useful when sending tracks back and forth over the internet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2-pop

I usually put it on beat 1 of the 2nd bar of a session.
makes it quite easy to line up imported tracks.

[beats me]

Thanks for checking it out. I guess I am outvoted 2 to 1. I think it's a transalation problem between her program and Ableton and it's hard to tell when there is no drum or click track behind what she sends me, but I have noticed slight delays in when people send me isolated tracks done on programs other than Ableton. Warping issue?

Guess I gotta play with the track offset.

in the post production industry we work with a thing called the 2pop.

i have found this very useful when sending tracks back and forth over the internet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2-pop

I usually put it on beat 1 of the 2nd bar of a session.
makes it quite easy to line up imported tracks.

I'm sure that it's a useful tool and industry standard but after reading the definition a couple times I'm really confused as to what that does and how it works. How would that align 2 tracks that are off by possibly milliseconds? And what if there is no audio on one of the tracks for a long duration? As in this case there was no audio for a good minute and a half.

[gomi]

I'm sure that it's a useful tool and industry standard but after reading the definition a couple times I'm really confused as to what that does and how it works. How would that align 2 tracks that are off by possibly milliseconds? And what if there is no audio on one of the tracks for a long duration? As in this case there was no audio for a good minute and a half.

i ask collaborators to export their track from bar 0 (or 1 whatever their
software uses). with the two pop at a predefined
position before the song starts.

this way when i get the whole track, blank space and all it's just
a matter of lining up their 2pop with my 2pop and it's all in sync.

you dont have to worry about frames, just line it up to the bar.

then you can go about your way and cut out the dead air yourself
knowing that the entire take is all lined up from start to finish.


If you give them the track with your 2pop in the beginning before it starts,
like a downmixed stereo for them to track to, they can simply using your 2pop
on their tracks, which makes it easy for them.

thats my workflow anyways.. might not work for you.

[beats me]

So it sounds similar to starting each track with a 1 bar click count except with a tone, and I suppose it would be more of a pain in the ass to add a click to each track. But is that the basic concept except you are using a tone?

[eamoon]

Dude, use your ears.

Pretty much all of my analog recordings are "off" by some amount -- be it due to audio interface latency that Live doesn't compensate quite right, latency from hardware effects (like analog delays and envelope followers), latency from my fingers, whatever. I fix it. Sometimes I wind up offsetting a track a lot, so that it sits in a different rhythmic spot; sometimes I make sub-millisecond tweaks. You can't rely on a machine to make those decisions for you.

[beats me]

Dude, use your ears.

Pretty much all of my analog recordings are "off" by some amount -- be it due to audio interface latency that Live doesn't compensate quite right, latency from hardware effects (like analog delays and envelope followers), latency from my fingers, whatever. I fix it. Sometimes I wind up offsetting a track a lot, so that it sits in a different rhythmic spot; sometimes I make sub-millisecond tweaks. You can't rely on a machine to make those decisions for you.

I understand what you are saying but first off I couldn't trust my ears in this situation because I thought it was fine. That's why I asked for other people's opinion of which I got one person. It's not horribly off. It just adds a little tension that may or may not be fine.

Secondly, this isn't about some latency issue of recording analog sound into the computer. The vocals were recorded into another computer using a different program and they lined up fine on that end. When I transfered the isolated tracks into Live that is when the problem apparently occurred. So it might be a Live issue but I just assumed that even if a track is recorded on a different program they are both computers and the beginning of a track at the same tempo should align no matter what you use. That is the kind of decision I thought I could trust a computer to default to.