problems with realtek sound and live

Const4nt1n3 · Post by **Const4nt1n3** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:30 pm

hi, guys!

it seems that i have a problem with built in realtek soundcard.

since my built in soundcard has 8 channels, there is a possibility to manipulate these channels. so when i installed realtek drivers, i noticed that there is no asio support. to solve this problem, i installed ASIO4ALL from http://www.asio4all.com/.

i went to live preferences and chosen asio, then asio4all v2 and in the output config section i enabled 1/2 3/4 5/6 7/8 (stereo) channels.

next thing i wanted to do was cueing, so i set cue out to 3/4 and master out 1/2. and here comes the problem: i hear both tracks at the same time. i have no idea what is wrong since both tracks are set to different channels.

here is the screenshot for better understanding of my problem

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i hope you, guys, could help me.

thanks in advance!

3dot... · Post by **3dot...** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:04 pm

Yo you have only a stereo analog output (2 ch) so everything is being sent there...
(8 ch digitally)...
Cheer up though...

foolio · Post by **foolio** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:14 pm

erm, i also got such sort of prob with my realtek audio,

but on your pic, the volume of track #2 ( the one you are cueing ) is also active... so maybe lower that volume and you should hear a difference ... cause like you are playing on that pic, you are sending your both tracks to the master, so then it's normal that you hear them both... try what i mentioned earlier , and see if that helps you, if it does, praise yourself, cause i can't get it to work as it is supposed to

gl !

Const4nt1n3 · Post by **Const4nt1n3** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:26 pm

3dot... wrote:Yo you have only a stereo analog output (2 ch) so everything is being sent there...
(8 ch digitally)...
Cheer up though...

hmm, i do not understand clearly why i have only 2 channels.. i can connect 5.1 speakers system and etc, so it is logical that i can use these channels for cueing.. or am i missing something?..

Const4nt1n3 · Post by **Const4nt1n3** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:30 pm

foolio wrote:erm, i also got such sort of prob with my realtek audio,

but on your pic, the volume of track #2 ( the one you are cueing ) is also active... so maybe lower that volume and you should hear a difference ... cause like you are playing on that pic, you are sending your both tracks to the master, so then it's normal that you hear them both... try what i mentioned earlier , and see if that helps you, if it does, praise yourself, cause i can't get it to work as it is supposed to

gl !

cueing track volume is controlled by knob on the master panel (where is little headphones), so track volume control on track 2 does not make any difference.. if i clearly understand what you meant.

3dot... · Post by **3dot...** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:59 pm

no!!!

what I mean is ... your 8.1 output is in the digital realm...
meaning (10110010111101001) data.... so...
depending on what output it has (toslink/spdif) it needs a receiver/mixerDAC with the same kind of input using the same kind of method (DTS or whatever..which are not supported in live) to utilise all those outputs...
and even then you will have to manipulate a way
to connect your headphones to outs 3/4 from that receiver which are probably the 2 rear speakers...

The small headphone output on most computers gives you 2 CH. (1Left/1Right=stereo)... and so it's like a Master track... all output # get mixed there...

Const4nt1n3 · Post by **Const4nt1n3** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:15 pm

3dot... wrote:no!!!

what I mean is ... your 8.1 output is in the digital realm...
meaning (10110010111101001) data.... so...
depending on what output it has (toslink/spdif) it needs a receiver/mixerDAC with the same kind of input using the same kind of method (DTS or whatever..which are not supported in live) to utilise all those outputs...
and even then you will have to manipulate a way
to connect your headphones to outs 3/4 from that receiver which are probably the 2 rear speakers...

The small headphone output on most computers gives you 2 CH. (1Left/1Right=stereo)... and so it's like a Master track... all output # get mixed there...

hmm, so i guess there is no way to have cueing on my on board soundcard.. and to solve this i should buy a new soundcard..

3dot... · Post by **3dot...** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:22 pm

if your a hobbyist get a cheap one that supports asio...Cheers

Const4nt1n3 · Post by **Const4nt1n3** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:33 pm

quite sad news, but thanks for help.

leedsquietman · Post by **leedsquietman** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:56 pm

If you're serious about music you would definately get a soundcard designed for pro audio. It will be worth it in the long run and for live Djing, an extra out is needed for cueing, If you plan on recording a band or 2 turntables simultaneously you need more than one input too. PLenty of multiple input and output choices available.

There are a lot of deals on and stuff with 2 or more outputs that would allow your cueing, If you're on PC laptop, you're best off considering pcmcia options like the Echo DJ or usb 2.0 options like the EMU 0404. If you are running a desktop a PCI or PCI Express interface is preferable. Firewire can be a bit iffy on PC as there are so many chipsets around and only Texas Instruments chipsets seem to consistently handle it OK.

You get lots of benefits from upgrading, 24 bit recording, ASIO low latency drivers, higher sampling frequencies, lower s/n ratios etc. Inbuilt motherboard audio solutions by realtek and sigmatel are only designed for basic audio such as playback of mp3s and audio for gaming which has higher latency than pro audio. ASIO4ALL can sometimes help with this but cannot fix the other crapness (16 bit only recording at 44.1 or 48 Khz), high s/n ratios, less frequency range capture etc.

Const4nt1n3 · Post by **Const4nt1n3** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:47 pm

leedsquietman wrote:If you're serious about music you would definately get a soundcard designed for pro audio. It will be worth it in the long run and for live Djing, an extra out is needed for cueing, If you plan on recording a band or 2 turntables simultaneously you need more than one input too. PLenty of multiple input and output choices available.

There are a lot of deals on and stuff with 2 or more outputs that would allow your cueing, If you're on PC laptop, you're best off considering pcmcia options like the Echo DJ or usb 2.0 options like the EMU 0404. If you are running a desktop a PCI or PCI Express interface is preferable. Firewire can be a bit iffy on PC as there are so many chipsets around and only Texas Instruments chipsets seem to consistently handle it OK.

You get lots of benefits from upgrading, 24 bit recording, ASIO low latency drivers, higher sampling frequencies, lower s/n ratios etc. Inbuilt motherboard audio solutions by realtek and sigmatel are only designed for basic audio such as playback of mp3s and audio for gaming which has higher latency than pro audio. ASIO4ALL can sometimes help with this but cannot fix the other crapness (16 bit only recording at 44.1 or 48 Khz), high s/n ratios, less frequency range capture etc.

thanks for answer, m8!

at the moment i am using desktop pc, but in the future i may buy a laptop, so i think the best option for me is soundcard with usb 2.0 interface.

but there is a problem, where i am living is kind of difficult to find hi-end soundcards..

Const4nt1n3 · Post by **Const4nt1n3** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:08 am

leedsquietman wrote:If you're serious about music you would definately get a soundcard designed for pro audio. It will be worth it in the long run and for live Djing, an extra out is needed for cueing, If you plan on recording a band or 2 turntables simultaneously you need more than one input too. PLenty of multiple input and output choices available.

There are a lot of deals on and stuff with 2 or more outputs that would allow your cueing, If you're on PC laptop, you're best off considering pcmcia options like the Echo DJ or usb 2.0 options like the EMU 0404. If you are running a desktop a PCI or PCI Express interface is preferable. Firewire can be a bit iffy on PC as there are so many chipsets around and only Texas Instruments chipsets seem to consistently handle it OK.

You get lots of benefits from upgrading, 24 bit recording, ASIO low latency drivers, higher sampling frequencies, lower s/n ratios etc. Inbuilt motherboard audio solutions by realtek and sigmatel are only designed for basic audio such as playback of mp3s and audio for gaming which has higher latency than pro audio. ASIO4ALL can sometimes help with this but cannot fix the other crapness (16 bit only recording at 44.1 or 48 Khz), high s/n ratios, less frequency range capture etc.

i did some research and found e-mu cards available to buy in shops, because they are somehow related to creative soundcards (does anyone know how?).

with which interface soundcards are better? i am talking about pci and usb. if we take e-mu 0404 for example, i found that this card with pci interface is much cheaper than with usb. what about sound quality? i am thinking about usb card, because this card could be used with laptop in the future. it is worth to invest?

are another pci/usb cards which could be taken into consideration? but not very expensive.

leedsquietman · Post by **leedsquietman** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:16 am

Creative own EMU but EMU cards are usually very different from Creative, they usually have better s/n ratios and preamps and often higher sampling rates. They are dedicated audio interfaces designed for recording and with low latency ASIO 2.0 drivers, as opposed to the usual 16 bit/48 Khz no ASIo or ASIO 1.0 noisy, no preamps Creative cards.

The 0404 USB is a totally different interface, it has better quality preamps than the 0404 PCI which is quite an old card and the break out box with nice controls as opposed to a bunch of fly leads.

Look at the review in January 2007 sound on sound who gave a really good review to the EMU 0404 USB. You are correct in saying that you could use the interface on a laptop as well as a desktop computer.

Of course the EMU1616M is an even better interface with preamps that are better than on Protools HD systems but it costs a lot more and unless you need to record 6 inputs at a time then the 0404 is a good compromise.

Const4nt1n3 · Post by **Const4nt1n3** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:56 am

leedsquietman wrote:Creative own EMU but EMU cards are usually very different from Creative, they usually have better s/n ratios and preamps and often higher sampling rates. They are dedicated audio interfaces designed for recording and with low latency ASIO 2.0 drivers, as opposed to the usual 16 bit/48 Khz no ASIo or ASIO 1.0 noisy, no preamps Creative cards.

The 0404 USB is a totally different interface, it has better quality preamps than the 0404 PCI which is quite an old card and the break out box with nice controls as opposed to a bunch of fly leads.

Look at the review in January 2007 sound on sound who gave a really good review to the EMU 0404 USB. You are correct in saying that you could use the interface on a laptop as well as a desktop computer.

Of course the EMU1616M is an even better interface with preamps that are better than on Protools HD systems but it costs a lot more and unless you need to record 6 inputs at a time then the 0404 is a good compromise.

thanks for info!