Best piano player in the world

krank · Post by **krank** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:23 pm

It's funny how we seem to agree on being sceptical about this stuff. It may have to do with the fact that we don't have any particular musical ability in common here apart from the utilization of Live. Had this been a forum for keyboard players, many would have focused on the technical impressiveness of the performance, and gotten some kind of emotional response from that expressiveness. Or so I reckon.

Come to think of it - take the beatboxing Live-user (whats-his-name, Kid something), and other Live performers generally in high regard - do people hear real music in those performances, or are they more digging the innovation and style? It's not meant as a rhetoric question, rather an open-ended thought.

kabuki · Post by **kabuki** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:38 pm

With great power comes great resposibility. IE: Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

Example: Just becasue I am good in photoshop doesn't mean I should have made this awesome test: Can you guess which one hasa the chops?

EDIT: I am more impressed that she IS pretty hot than by her fast fingers.

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:20 pm

krank wrote:It's funny how we seem to agree on being sceptical about this stuff. It may have to do with the fact that we don't have any particular musical ability in common here apart from the utilization of Live. Had this been a forum for keyboard players, many would have focused on the technical impressiveness of the performance, and gotten some kind of emotional response from that expressiveness. Or so I reckon.

Come to think of it - take the beatboxing Live-user (whats-his-name, Kid something), and other Live performers generally in high regard - do people hear real music in those performances, or are they more digging the innovation and style? It's not meant as a rhetoric question, rather an open-ended thought.

Whoa, hold on there! I'm pretty sure we have a bunch of talented musicians in other traditions here. I was a Bb brass and guitar guy before i started doing electronic music, and i'm decent on the keys as well. I'd guess that a good chunk of us are "real" musicians as well.

personally, i'm just as tough on electronic music that is all about technique rather than emotion. An example for me is that cat eDit, from the glitch mob. Amazing million edits a second techniques, but does that make it great music? (same thing with the late autechre stuff, it got too far away from the shreds of alien emotions that made tri-repete and chiastic slide so great and went into this ultra cold technique only headspace) Not in my opinion. But ultimately that;s what it's about, opinions. If we all liked the same kind of music shit would be boring as hell...

.lm.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:37 pm

Hiromi is a great keyboard player...

... but the best piano player is surely Keith Jarrett

(or Murray Perahia for classical).

krank · Post by **krank** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:08 pm

leisuremuffin wrote:Whoa, hold on there! I'm pretty sure we have a bunch of talented musicians in other traditions here. I was a Bb brass and guitar guy before i started doing electronic music, and i'm decent on the keys as well. I'd guess that a good chunk of us are "real" musicians as well.

That wasn't what I was saying at all.

Edit: please see further explanation below.

TITBAG · Post by **TITBAG** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:44 pm

krank wrote:
leisuremuffin wrote:Whoa, hold on there! I'm pretty sure we have a bunch of talented musicians in other traditions here. I was a Bb brass and guitar guy before i started doing electronic music, and i'm decent on the keys as well. I'd guess that a good chunk of us are "real" musicians as well.
That wasn't what I was saying at all.

your original comment came across as a sly dig at the lack of 'real talent' on here

krank · Post by **krank** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:17 pm

TITBAG wrote:
krank wrote:
leisuremuffin wrote:Whoa, hold on there! I'm pretty sure we have a bunch of talented musicians in other traditions here. I was a Bb brass and guitar guy before i started doing electronic music, and i'm decent on the keys as well. I'd guess that a good chunk of us are "real" musicians as well.
That wasn't what I was saying at all.
your original comment came across as a sly dig at the lack of 'real talent' on here

It seriously wasn't what I meant. I was saying how what we have IN COMMON is the usage of Live. So our collective mindset, as expressed in the way we interact on this forum for example, may be geared towards a different perspective on music than the instrumentalist's, namely that of composers, loopers, audio entrepeneurs, whatever. A more 'holistic' approach, what have you. At least different. And then again - that's kind of my question.

I guess I coulda kept my trap shut.

frahnque · Post by **frahnque** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:00 am

As usual, there's no way of handing out the onte single best piano player in the world. Atleast I don't think so. I have some favourites though.

Alongside Bill Evans and Keith Jarrett we have:
Esbjörn Svensson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3ddHfr6SzY

ans also Jan Johansson (which I couldn't find any movie of), but if you ever heard him playin "If My Complaints" or "Visa från Utanmyra" I think you'll agree he was pretty talented.

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:34 am

krank wrote:
TITBAG wrote:
krank wrote: That wasn't what I was saying at all.
your original comment came across as a sly dig at the lack of 'real talent' on here
It seriously wasn't what I meant. I was saying how what we have IN COMMON is the usage of Live. So our collective mindset, as expressed in the way we interact on this forum for example, may be geared towards a different perspective on music than the instrumentalist's, namely that of composers, loopers, audio entrepeneurs, whatever. A more 'holistic' approach, what have you. At least different. And then again - that's kind of my question.

I guess I coulda kept my trap shut.

no, you're right, i didn't really get what you were saying before. its clearer now, but i also don't have much to say to it. sorry for the confusion.

.lm.

pulsoc · Post by **pulsoc** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:50 pm

It is weird to listen to this stuff and to be able to hear the faint echoes of Mahavishnu Orchestra with all the soul and wit removed.

rikhyray · Post by **rikhyray** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:04 pm

leisuremuffin wrote:Exhibits a and b:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyoHb2eE ... ed&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmm_XUiW ... ed&search=

music is about more than what notes you play.

some people have emotions, not techniques.

even if you go way out, phrasing and feeling still wins for me over soulless exercises in pyrotechnical virtuosity (exhibit c) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yomesyf8GFY

although there's a time for pyrotechnical displays of a sort too i suppose (exhibit d):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqWPl0AexnA

.lm.

Thanks, that was like medicine after exposing myself to that japanese key abuse. Amazing ! Just few seconds and you can really feel like the music enters your whole nervous system, every cell of your body, spreading the feeling of satistaction, pleasentness and peace,like after a gulp of fine champagne. Thelonious, Evans those fellows were something else indeed.
For anyone interested in kind of mixing piano and electric sounds I would recommend anything from Herbie H, he did, does and will forvever do what this poor girl attempts to.The difference is his music has life and sense.

Regarding that Berklee product, I am surprised that there are still people playing that kind of "music". I thought the pseudo fusion was beaten to death already in 80s.
Apart from her total lack of sense of funk and rhythm in general, the worst part of that post 70s fusion is that it is so predictable, you know exactly what notes, breaks, anything will follow.

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:25 pm

I like it, especially the bass & drums.

Far more exciting to watch than someone hunched over a laptop.

Ron Bender · Post by **Ron Bender** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:45 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNx2GFVott8

brightonalex · Post by **brightonalex** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:15 pm

It was boring to listen to.

Anyway I am the best piano player in the world - i can play Doogie Howser, without music, lying upside down. I can also play it with my nose.

People used to pay me a pound a time at parties to see me perform that, i was like the Dirk Diggler of the musical world.

icedsushi · Post by **icedsushi** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:38 pm

Ron Bender wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNx2GFVott8

LOL, great example!

Ack! His "over-reacting" and "exaggerated playing movements" to the music produced by the laptop makes me cringe. I feel like I can't watch it more than a few seconds because I get this weird embarrasing feeling inside (even though I watch it by myself and there is noone else around...)

If i were there in person, would be turning in my seat at that performance or trying to find my way to the concession stand for a glass of wine until it's over.

Regarding the Hiromi clips...when I was in music school in college I probably would have dug it. Basically, it's music for other studying musicians to listen to. But now I am more balanced and mature. So I realize, the performance is so technically perfect, yet robotic and ultimately boring to listen to, grinding on the ears, and void of emotion. The players are technically "out of this world" but they rarely have any dialogue between them in what they are playing. It's like it's a challenge for all of them to show off their chops at the same time without it sounding like a total mess!

Best piano player in the world

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