is there a way to do this ? (more detail inside!)

timit · Post by **timit** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:03 pm

hey sorry for undescriptive title.

Basically in my template i currently have a button which plays a dummy clip which automates the volume in a stuttering gate like effect.

The thing is i'd like to be able to have different patterns of this effect but i dont have any more buttons free on my controller to use to select clips but i do have knobs..

..i cant think how i can get the knobs to change between different automation envelopes. I cant seem to get the effect i want using an 'effect' only using envelopes and i cant work out if you can use racks to change clips.

Does anyone have any ideas?

longjohns · Post by **longjohns** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:15 pm

I just posted a feature request thread based on your post, I hope you don't mind

anyway how about mapping one of your knobs to the scene selector, and the button to the general track clip launch for your dummy clip track.

then you can dial in whatever dummy clip you want, and launch it with a single button.

timit · Post by **timit** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:33 pm

alright awesome..

well yeh i had kinda thought about that and may end up doing so, but i do have a few different effect dummy clips and would be bit worried about scrolling too far and launching wrong thing..

..was hoping for a more foolproof plan, but as i say may settle for that..

cheers for the reply tho

Clearscreen · Post by **Clearscreen** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:00 am

from the current round of betas (see the bugs forum).

Until now, when mapping MIDI CC to a on/off button, the button is switched when the MIDI CC value crossed 64.
Now, it is possible to set up min and max value for such a mapped button.
The idea is that when the CC value is between min and max, the button is switched on (or off in reverse mode).
If the CC value is outside the min and max range, the button is switched off (or on in reverse mode).

don't know if it applies to clips, but having up to 128 clips triggered by a midi knob sounds good to me... maybe download the beat and try it out?

[edit - just downloading it myself as it seems like a pretty good feature so i'll let you know...]

longjohns · Post by **longjohns** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:12 am

It doesn't work for clip launch but it still is fun as hell

Assign the same knob or slider to a bunch of channel mute buttons and set ranges.

Assign a small range of a fader to a channel mute and you can kind of get transformy on it

Clearscreen · Post by **Clearscreen** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:38 am

i thought of a workaround. setup a midi clip playing a note with a short loop, then put a pitch plugin after it. use a loopback as a live remote input and assign the various pitches you can output to trigger a series of clips controlling the gate stuff. have these clips set to gate and maybe legato depending on how you want to quantise those clips. then have the button trigger the initial midi clip and set the knob to control the pitch offset range. using this you could have up to 96 variations of you gate control and sweep through them with your knob.

basically you're using a dummy clip to control your dummy clips...

having the beta's behaviour apply to audio/midi clips would be damn cool though. i might tack that on the end of your request longjohns.

longjohns · Post by **longjohns** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:48 am

sure go for it

I have to ask - why not a MIDI playback device? There are three devices to play audio clips (impulse, simpler, sampler) Why discriminate agains the MIDI clip?

it just seems like it could be cool to be able to contain actual MIDI data inside of a rack itself

even going a step beyond that - the implications of having a CLIP inside of a rack...

there could be drawable envelopes which could apply to other devices in the chain.

I don't know it just sounds kind of cool

Clearscreen · Post by **Clearscreen** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:58 am

initially i thought 'nah - you can play with the midi data heaps as it is...' but you know what - having a midi clips instrument that you could rack would be pretty handy. imagine being able to have mini midi clips in a rack all triggered by notes in a single midi track... you could build cc lfos, have all sorts of notes firing off in all directions. there is a few possibilities here!! maybe this is where the C74 partnership could help, as it almost sounds like having live nested inside a modular rack... hmmmm....

admittedly a lot of it can be done now using dummy clips etc but this would tidy things up and might solve some feature requests.