128 parameters limitation

eddu · Post by **eddu** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:25 pm

doubled (+2)

jasefos · Post by **jasefos** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:57 pm

Bumpity bump ; )

Fractal Dimension · Post by **Fractal Dimension** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:17 pm

+1

This is a real showstopper for all Novation Automap Universal users.

jasefos · Post by **jasefos** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:40 am

Fractal Dimension wrote:+1

This is a real showstopper for all Novation Automap Universal users.

It's a problem for me since it's not possible to access all the parameters for automation for Korg Legacy Collection Analogue Edition 2007's Mono/Poly ... the parameters of the inbuilt pair of MDE-X's cannot be automated.

Cheers

Josh Von · Post by **Josh Von** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:03 am

hoffman2k wrote:Do a simple test.
Build a rack with loads of devices, then try to automate 1 parameter. Or even find it for that matter.
You'll notice Live will be getting a bit sluggish too.

Removing the limit is not the solution. Letting us specify which 128 parameters we want (and the ability to save that pref.) is what we really need.

The Live browser seems perfect for it.
I've been thinking about this a lot since I feel your pain and have the same problem.
Though just removing the limit will bring us more problems.

How about this?

- Right-click on a plugin and select "show list of parameters"

- A browser pops up, very similar to the MIDI learn or macro browser in Live 6

- It lists all the parameters of a plugin, be it 3, 225, 10 000,.....

- You have to ability to arrange the order of the parameters. Simply drag the parameter you want to automate, to one of the first 128 parameter positions.

- Once everything is arranged, you can save a preset of your arrangement.

Now this brings us to the juicy bit of my suggestion.
Since we arranged our parameters in custom sets of 128, the next logical request would be MIDI maps for devices..

No need to look hard, our parameters are already arranged to match CC's.
All we need is an option on the device to "receive MIDI from port x channel x"
If we want to control more then 128 parameters with a midi controller... Instead of switching presets on the controller, we could just switch them in Live.
Preferably by MIDI

2 birds killed with one elegant stone?

Perfect.

Where's that magic "add Live feature now" wand when you really need it.

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sunrahrahrah · Post by **sunrahrahrah** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:49 am

+1

this is really bothersome

josvangemert · Post by **josvangemert** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 7:00 pm

sunrahrahrah wrote:+1

this is really bothersome

And one more................

It makes Native Instruments GuitarRig automation unusable.

Shame.

Should be fixed soon indeed.

glamourboy · Post by **glamourboy** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:45 pm

just do it already. i've just spent 10 min's on this forum because of this, when i should be making banging beats. oh, and hoffman2k's suggestion is exellent, go with that.

djod · Post by **djod** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:38 pm

UnderwaterSunlight · Post by **UnderwaterSunlight** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:55 am

My most often used Plugin is REAKTOR 5 by Native Instruments.

I definitely need more than 128 automatable parameters, as this beast features many excellent synths/ drum machines/ other creations with much more than 128 parameters each.

So, dear Abes, get that right AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, at the latest in Live 7.

Thanx.

Lmd64 · Post by **Lmd64** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:52 am

+1

jasefos wrote: Great suggestion! Personally I find the default layout of the Parameter list (as presented by plug-in devs) to be quite illogical. In fact I often find it necessary to "discover" a parameter in the list by tweaking the appopriate control in the plug-in GUI to see which parameter in the list reacts.
It would be great to hide parameters in the list which you don't intend to ever automate in order to make parameter indexes higher than the first 128 to be included.

Exactly, I've the same problem myself as well, trying to figure out which slider parameter in Live is the one you're tweaking in the VST gui is really frustrating at times, particularly given the parameter-naming conventions for a lot of the VST's on the market out there.

hoffman2k wrote:How about this?
- Right-click on a plugin and select "show list of parameters"
- A browser pops up, very similar to the MIDI learn or macro browser in Live 6
- It lists all the parameters of a plugin, be it 3, 225, 10 000,.....
- You have to ability to arrange the order of the parameters. Simply drag the parameter you want to automate, to one of the first 128 parameter positions.
- Once everything is arranged, you can save a preset of your arrangement.
Now this brings us to the juicy bit of my suggestion.
Since we arranged our parameters in custom sets of 128, the next logical request would be MIDI maps for devices..
No need to look hard, our parameters are already arranged to match CC's.
All we need is an option on the device to "receive MIDI from port x channel x"
If we want to control more then 128 parameters with a midi controller... Instead of switching presets on the controller, we could just

Absolutely, this seems the most efficient and usable way of implementing this.

just to reiterate, +1!

s[riteboy · Post by **s[riteboy** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:05 pm

yes please this needs to be added

128 parameters limitation

128 Param Limitation

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