Afghan detainees routinely tortured by US troops

[b0unce]

check the date on the article

Wednesday June 23, 2004

spoken like a truely spoilt individual. I'm sure this behavior is not going on now Besides, I'm sure no one is holding a grudge anyone who would is being unreasonable, its like...3 years ago already

I take it this means you couldn't find anything negative to post about Canadians in Afghanistan.

You take it whatever way you like, I'm only highlighting some material on the occupation of afghanistan...you know, to keep things in perspective while some folks big-up members of the occupying force.

Exactly. Can't believe I f-in wasted my time reading this. Bounce if you're gonna post this garbage @ the ableton forum, do you mind keeping it in one thread ? the I hate Mbreqs/afghaniblog thread or something. the thread title implies there'll be more of these bullshit updates to come....so in the interest of keeping shite to a minimum please consider keeping it contained in one thread.

thanks.

It's not COMPLETE shite. He is concerned about imperialism and torture, which is compassionate and human. But his focus on M. Bréqs is a bit misplaced, IMO.

posting news from 2004... I expect more from ANYBODY, this is just garbage, is ANYONE not aware of this? shall I start a thread on "the world is round"? this is beyond OT, it's just garbage coming from the guy who asked breqs to ease up on the OT afghanistan threads.

"people are strange..."


EDIT - I take it that bounce just screwed up, a pretty honest mistake.

rozling@ you're not very bright and you dont get it. carry on.
tone deft@ again, 2004 isnt that long ago.....what kind of bubble do you live in...
and there was no mistake, what are you implying ?...at any rate stick it up yer hole. I read the papers everyday, I remember what I read, and I can find articles I've read easily with google & the guardian.co.uk website. I have mounds of papers that regularly need recycling and/or cost me a small fortune to recycle/remove

everybody who's all like "oh breqs, i don't agree with your reasons and politics, but good for you for following thru..." Fuck you fucking pussies. Do you or don't you believe what you believe? It's one thing to support the poor bastards who are fighting over there because they just wanted to pay for college, but a loud mouth racist fuck who really believes in this bullshit? fuck him, i hope he's pulling shrapnel out of his balls as soon as possible.

AMEN to that....this is one fallacy I've been biting my tongue on. So..if someone promotes sex with minors on this board [quite a mannerly type, well written, intellectualizes his monstrous views with finesse, where others of his type fail]...and announces he's going to the philiphines on some sex-tour, with his laptop and ableton....will his detractors say "way to go, at least you're out there doing you're thing....not like those other guys who promote your same filthy agenda and dont get their hands dirty, they're just all talk" .....its fuckin mind-bogglingly perverse. If I think your views on the middle-east are fucked I'm not gonna slap you on the back when you announce you're joining the occupation of afghanistan. What the fuck ?....I dont totally understand it, but PUSSIES sums it up quite well.

whats the point of writing anything intelligible for them ? been there, done that. its obvious some people really have no clue of the human suffering involved and at best just want to debate for the sake of debate, and as a means of validating themselves as intellectuals who are clued up on current affairs. I asked this before but how many people here know what its like to live under an occupation ? to have your people & culture attacked in every way ? your cousins executed by occupiers for standing THEIR ground ? Some of you are won over by eloquent discourse, that's your big downfall.

and another thing....using ableton live or being involved in music doesnt neutralize you're fascist ideas. All the major political assholes throughout history....guess what, lots of them had marching bands. ya, they listend to and composed music. I dunno, I thought I should mention that. Using ableton live alone seems to make fascists acceptable around here.

[beats me]

....regardless of its level of "sophisitcation"......

It truly is horrible that the US introduced violence and death to the region. If we weren't there everybody would be holding hands, singing songs, and getting some good chuckles out of each other's differences of opinions.

I think we should leave and a peace and calm would fall over the region and it would become a model to all civilized nations. I'm fine with that. Let's give it a go!

Are you accusing me of being sophisticated? Wow. Thanks. Alright then, I'm ready to sit down and listen to your solution without all my smoke and mirrors. I'll even unload my gun, place it on the table, and turn off my cell phone. I'm all yours.

[Machinesworking]

I dunno Tone, I had more respect for you before you decided that bounce was your personal enemy, and made numerous threads into little diatribes against him?

You say his cussing makes him look an idiot, but your constant attention to whatever post he puts up makes you look worse.

AFA Mbreqs VS bOunce, I'll take bounce any day, better music taste, and politically left. People with a punk rock attitude never bothered me half as much as people who carry a bit of the Xenophobic attitude towards other cultures and religions.
But hey, Mbreqs is polite when he says that the muslim religion is geared towards anti western thinking etc. basically saying that muslims are worse than christians. It seems you're OK with that, I simply am not.

[smutek]

@ beats me

No, thank you.

I think you're right. Screw it man, what can I do about it? if it wasn't us it would be someone else, they'd have problems anyway.

I can stop caring now.

[beats me]

@ beats me

No, thank you.

I think you're right. I can stop caring now.

I was serious about us leaving the region though and it has nothing to do with people getting killed or some moral objection to why we are there. I'm just tired of funding us policing and babysitting the world. Sometimes we do right and other times we do wrong, but either way nobody seems to want it or appreciate it even when it's a good thing. Let other people and countries handle their own shit. More times than not I think we enable people to not get their shit straight.

[smutek]

I agree.

[Tone Deft]

check the date on the article

Wednesday June 23, 2004

spoken like a truely spoilt individual. I'm sure this behavior is not going on now Besides, I'm sure no one is holding a grudge anyone who would is being unreasonable, its like...3 years ago already

I take it this means you couldn't find anything negative to post about Canadians in Afghanistan.

You take it whatever way you like, I'm only highlighting some material on the occupation of afghanistan...you know, to keep things in perspective while some folks big-up members of the occupying force.

c'mon man, elevate. you know exactly what I'm talking about, WE ALL know you can do better than posting a 3 year old article. it totally looked like a mistake. you came back at me with rhetoric that only said I'm too spoiled to revisit old news. why the fuck would I want to re-read abu ghraib shit over and over again? c'mon man, elevate, wtf?

MW - I didn't know that I wanted your respect. AFAIK you don't even use Live.


beats me - well put. I'd rather take care of our own people.

[pilcrow]

This thread has confirmed my strong conviction that when it comes to geopolitics, world history, military strategy, etc., you guys make great dance-music producers.

[Tone Deft]

This thread has confirmed my strong conviction that when it comes to geopolitics, world history, military strategy, etc., you guys make great dance-music producers.

lmfao!!!!

[Machinesworking]

MW - I didn't know that I wanted your respect. AFAIK you don't even use Live.

That's weak. You're still doing it, trying to win some point with bounce, trying to prove that you are a "better" person etc. My question is why? Why are you posting this BS?

AFA Live, oh come on? From what I can tell I post more on topic shit than you do. That was hard core juvenile, you're just proving my point, that you are losing any amount of rational thinking on this, and basically running around shouting "Bounce is a poopy head!" over and over and over again....

I don't get it? I'm not fond of some people here, but I certainly don't make it my life's mission to hound them every time I can, it's pointless, and would make me look silly.
Only reason I'm saying this is I think you're smarter than this, and I think you can do better than this. Try to remain rational, and centered, you know?

Seriously, who cares if it's an older article? Want a new one? here.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/annualreport/

Now, since that report sez roughly the same thing as bounce's post, are you now happy? Do you now forgive bounce this horrible error? or are you going to argue semantics with me because something I said hurt your feelings?

Again, I think you're smarter than this, chill out man.

[smutek]

I was serious about us leaving the region though and it has nothing to do with people getting killed or some moral objection to why we are there. I'm just tired of funding us policing and babysitting the world. Sometimes we do right and other times we do wrong, but either way nobody seems to want it or appreciate it even when it's a good thing. Let other people and countries handle their own shit. More times than not I think we enable people to not get their shit straight.

To expand a bit.

Leave the region. Stop funding oppressive governments to further our own gain. Stop lying about it and cloaking it under the guise of some moral responsibility.

Never going to happen? probably not.

At least stop lying about it, just say "we support this guy because of lucrative deals for our corporations" or "because we want access to this area so we can station troops there" - tell the truth, let them stop pretending they do this shit because they are trying to help people.

Stop pretending we are trying to spread freedom or some such bullshit. Just come out and say "we are there for the oil and to place permanent military installations in the region and we don't give two shits for their people for fucks sake, or for you either for that matter"

Let them tell the truth and then let an informed public decide what is right and what is wrong. Let these other countries, their dictators, their revolutionaries, their people decide their own fate as well. Let them do it without our funding, our dictators and our death squads.

It's insane to me that some kid can strap explosives around his waist and blow up a bus full of innocent people, but it is more insane that so many people simply refuse to ask the simple question - why? Why do these people do such things.

instead of asking why they just dismiss it.

Never why.

Yet if their neighbors 16 year old daughter murders her mother and father the first reaction is shock, outrage, then why? And when they find out that the girls parents have been beating, molesting and prostituting her since she was ten suddenly it is a different story. It doesn't make it right, but suddenly they understand and it is all the more tragic, now maybe they want to know what they can do to stop this from ever happening again.

Suddenly they understand that things are rarely as one sided as we like to believe.

Perhaps a flawed analogy, and I'm sure you and anyone else can blow it all full of holes, but I ask you to just look at the basic premise.

Why are so many of us incapable of simply asking why? If it isn't right next door to us then why do we stop caring? Where and how did so many people lose their compassion and become indifferent to human suffering?

If we tune out injustice and suffering, be it next door or half way across the world, don't we become complicit ourselves?

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Now, if you'll excuse me, it is 10 PM here and I have to draw 3 comps of a cartoon sun with arms and legs, but no ass, getting bitten on it's (nonexistent) ass by a crab, and I have to have it inked and ready to show to a client tomorrow morning at 9 AM, so if you see me back here tonight please tell me to scram.

[Tone Deft]

what we have here is a failure to communicate.

MW - I didn't know that I wanted your respect. AFAIK you don't even use Live.

That's weak. You're still doing it, trying to win some point with bounce, trying to prove that you are a "better" person etc. My question is why? Why are you posting this BS?

I'm saying bounce is a better person than this. I said he made a mistake, a mispost, he didn't check the date. I did not namecall, I did not berate him, I gave him the benefit of the doubt. are you reading the right thread?? it's in black and white on the screen.

AFA Live, oh come on? From what I can tell I post more on topic shit than you do.

omfg that's total bullshit, I have more people telling me 'thanks for the help' than you have posts in topics about Live. that's seriously clueless, why'd you write that? count up all your posts in the last week and then count up all the posts of people saying 'thanks for the help' to me for helping them out. I bet you post under two names, that's the only way you'd get that impression. it would be impossible for me to do that, I post too much as TD as it is.

That was hard core juvenile, you're just proving my point, that you are losing any amount of rational thinking on this, and basically running around shouting "Bounce is a poopy head!" over and over and over again....

how I interact with bounce is not your call, you're running around saying "Tone Deft is a poopy head." are you a moderator? we've seen how people can ridicule others, I'm not doing that, you think I'm being agregious in my criticisms of bounce? pussy. why are you defending him? bounce can hold his own. weird, you two have some kind of 'thing' going on?

I don't get it? I'm not fond of some people here, but I certainly don't make it my life's mission to hound them every time I can, it's pointless, and would make me look silly.

I don't hound bounce, I know better than to rattle his cage too much, he gets high and then all hell breaks lose. again, how I interact with bounce is not your concern, or are you a forum moderator now? if anything it's how you babysit bounce and stand up for his schadenfreude that's messed up, whatever, be a fan boy, at least it's positive.

Only reason I'm saying this is I think you're smarter than this, and I think you can do better than this. Try to remain rational, and centered, you know?

Seriously, who cares if it's an older article? Want a new one? here.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/annualreport/

Now, since that report sez roughly the same thing as bounce's post, are you now happy? Do you now forgive bounce this horrible error? or are you going to argue semantics with me because something I said hurt your feelings?

Again, I think you're smarter than this, chill out man.

dude, I gave bounce the respect to say he made a mistake and I expect more of him because he can put out more.

I reacted to your post because a 'respect threat' meant nothing, back atcha, whatever. I don't care really, I've found it incredibly refreshing to forget who said what and just talk Live. often I come to appreciate a poster that for some dumb reason rubbed me the wrong way, lots of truly interesting people around here.


nice entry into the thread, a hater from the getgo, great contribution.


so MW, what's your alt-nick?

great back into the dumbass flame wars... is this why bounce wanted breqs to chill on the afghanistan threads?

[b0unce]

great back into the dumbass flame wars... is this why bounce wanted breqs to chill on the afghanistan threads?

That's not what I said, DICKHEAD, I merely requested he CONTAIN his peddling to one thread. Backlash, so anyways I'm adaptable - In the interest of balance I'm going to be posting articles for a while as long as it seems relevant.

I can take it or leave it, majority rules!

[dango]

Stop pretending we are trying to spread freedom or some such bullshit. .

isn't this considered "spreading freedom" though?



look how nicley it is spreading those little freedoms over our new found democracy.

that saying freedom isn't free is true, that payload of freedom costs millions of your tax dollars. and i am sure the people profiting from that payload deeply care about all the men, women, and children that will receive that blessing of freedom.

[Meef Chaloin]

big up b0unce