Vocal Effect Trick...Make a sample last forever...

electropoet · Post by **electropoet** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 3:41 am

I'm trying to figure out a way to take the last snippet of a vocal sample and have the last part infinitely sustain...I've heard this many times...anyone know how to do it?

The effect is like that of a singer holding a note...exact same pitch and it just keeps going (unnaturally long)...until you want it to stop of course.

All I can think of is just to take a really small grain of the sample and keep cross-fading it until the loop grows long enough...very tedious though and I haven't had any luck...you can still hear the granular aspect...i want to sound like the singer actually helld the note. I was hoping to put it in a sampler and set the amplifier release envelope to max but that didn't seem to work either.

Any ideas would be a great help. Thank you.

Hilsee · Post by **Hilsee** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 4:02 am

A bare bones way to do this would be to open the sample up in some wav editor and just copy paste a lot.

But I'm sure theres an easier way that I don't know of.

dancing Ray · Post by **dancing Ray** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 6:10 am

Try the freeze function of the reverb and fiddle with the settings...

Might be worth a try.

retrodisko · Post by **retrodisko** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 9:38 am

I do this, depends on the gear you have of course,

I have an Ensoniq Sampler, in Loop forward, change the start and end points untill you get the sustain effect that you wish,

Also on a Cd Player like CDJ 1000 or similars (pioneeer) loop modes, or any audio editor that hape loop mode and you can adjust the area of looping, render the area you want..

rebervs will help also delays desguise a little and can help too

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 9:43 am

Quick and dirty is definitely the freeze function on Lives reverb.

if you are on a pc the king of silly timestretching is Paulstretch. (free)

I think the maximum time stretch length for a 1 second sample is about 600 years, it may be longer. I'm not kidding, it's just insane.

retrodisko · Post by **retrodisko** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:09 am

Heey thats crazy

Thanks for the tip..

Stace · Post by **Stace** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:45 pm

What about Celemony Melodyne VST? I'm not sure how far it will let you stretch it but the time stretching capibilitys on that are pretty good.

Stace · Post by **Stace** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:49 pm

Sorry to double post but I've just checked out that Paulstretch and YES it does look insane!!

Thanks Angstrom for the tip.

electropoet · Post by **electropoet** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 3:07 pm

Thanks. I'll see about the freeze function in reverb...everyone over at Gearslutz recommended Melodyne so I'll try that as well...but anyways...thanks for the feedback!!!

mrzosonp · Post by **mrzosonp** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:08 pm

I starting using beatrepeat to do this kind of effect. here's how

put beatrepeat in a return track

send the vocals to the return

set up a hot key or midi controller (I use one of the pressure pads on my axiom 25) to turn on the return track and also turn on the 'repeat' button in 'beatrepeat' it grabs whatever is happening at that moment and keeps repeating it.

if you set up beat repeat right you'll grab just the part of the audio you want.

laird · Post by **laird** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 3:44 pm

retrodisko wrote:I have an Ensoniq Sampler, in Loop forward, change the start and end points untill you get the sustain effect that you wish,
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reverbs will help also delays desguise a little and can help too

This, to me, seems like the "no brains" answer-- as in the best and easiest. You can do it in Sampler to take advantage of the crossfade function (even better than disguisding splices with reverbs or delays)... or you can even do it in the clip view... just hit "LOOP" on button, set the loop brace points towards the very end, and now in the arrangement view, you just click and drag the end of your vocal verse as long as you want it. Simple!

Seriously, "samplers" may be out of date, but there's a ton of useful sampler tricks that translate well to Live or other loop-based programs.

Blinky-Live- · Post by **Blinky-Live-** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:50 am

If you can get a copy of ohmboys delay it has a sustain button which you can map to midi and/or automate. It's what most people use