Now don't get all crazy...you've maybe hit "Kato" status. Slow your roll!Tone Deft wrote:I'm up there with OJ!!pixelbox wrote:Ah, Tone...you've finally hit celeb status! Congrats, man!Tone Deft wrote: that's ME!!!
Don't think I would've bothered with Ableton if I'd known...
pixelbox wrote:Now don't get all crazy...you've maybe hit "Kato" status. Slow your roll!Tone Deft wrote:I'm up there with OJ!!pixelbox wrote: Ah, Tone...you've finally hit celeb status! Congrats, man!
hey man, can I crash on your couch tonight? and you're out of beer again, you gonna get more or what?
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At people who I'd much rather kick in the eye?
-Moz
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Splosion Right
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I look forward to the beautiful things Ableton has to offer me and I'm aware that it's not all about 'hey, look I matched these tunes'. I want to take things a step beyond which is why I looked to Ableton - more towards an understanding of production, which I have been told Ableton is a good inroad towards. I'd rather get down with this than use an mp3 mixer.
It's just a bit rubbish that it does all these cool things but can't match the beats. Computers and math and frequencies and that.
Time is my issue. Warping does seem time-consuming, no? I can't imagine I'll be DJing with just a computer anytime soon. On average how long does it take you guys to warp an hour's worth of music? I understand it must vary from genre to genre.
Thanks for the responses. I see that it's a case of diving right in. I just kept seeing things in the manual that seemed to allude to there being a quicker way of matching the tracks without having such indepth control over markers etc. That manual confuses me sometimes. Maybe I should try and have a clearer head while I'm in front of it.
It's just a bit rubbish that it does all these cool things but can't match the beats. Computers and math and frequencies and that.
Time is my issue. Warping does seem time-consuming, no? I can't imagine I'll be DJing with just a computer anytime soon. On average how long does it take you guys to warp an hour's worth of music? I understand it must vary from genre to genre.
Thanks for the responses. I see that it's a case of diving right in. I just kept seeing things in the manual that seemed to allude to there being a quicker way of matching the tracks without having such indepth control over markers etc. That manual confuses me sometimes. Maybe I should try and have a clearer head while I'm in front of it.
start with tunes that were clearly done with a drum machine.
set the start marker where you hear the '1'
right click - warp from here straight
loop 1 measure, adjust the '2' warp marker so you get a smooth loop
jump ahead about 20 measures
check for a clean, smooth loop that repeats
go to the midpoint of the song, check again
go to the end, check again
then check the begining again
the more you do it, the easier it gets. I can easily warp a tune in less time than it takes to listen to it.
warp 100 songs then see what questions you have.
you can also hit ctrl-a select ALL the warp markers and move them around
I believe you can ctrl-a then copy and paste them onto other tracks too
double clicking on a marker that you can't move will let you turn it into a marker you can move (I shit my pants when I found that out)
I'd encourage you to try everything you can in Live, it's sooo damn tweakable I love it. wanna hear something that'll really mess with your head, download the rack here
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68184
set the start marker where you hear the '1'
right click - warp from here straight
loop 1 measure, adjust the '2' warp marker so you get a smooth loop
jump ahead about 20 measures
check for a clean, smooth loop that repeats
go to the midpoint of the song, check again
go to the end, check again
then check the begining again
the more you do it, the easier it gets. I can easily warp a tune in less time than it takes to listen to it.
warp 100 songs then see what questions you have.
you can also hit ctrl-a select ALL the warp markers and move them around
I believe you can ctrl-a then copy and paste them onto other tracks too
double clicking on a marker that you can't move will let you turn it into a marker you can move (I shit my pants when I found that out)
I'd encourage you to try everything you can in Live, it's sooo damn tweakable I love it. wanna hear something that'll really mess with your head, download the rack here
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68184
In my life
Why do I smile
At people who I'd much rather kick in the eye?
-Moz
Why do I smile
At people who I'd much rather kick in the eye?
-Moz
Yeah, you're going to have to put your time in, but it's not as tedious as you might think. Once you get used to doing quality warping, you can generally warp a modern song in about a minute or two. Warping vintage tunes can take a bit longer, cuz those old buzzards played by feel, not a click track!
try warping curtis mayfield, REALLY cool, you can actually FEEL the band slowing up before breaks and getting back into tempo afterwards, reeeaaal tight but they do wander.pixelbox wrote:cuz those old buzzards played by feel, not a click track!
oh, and watch for songs that drop beats on breaks, i hit that on funky monks by the red hot chili peppers.
I didn't mention that I warp while having an old familiar drum loop in the background, I let it play and know the song is warped right when the drum loop in the background fades out.
In my life
Why do I smile
At people who I'd much rather kick in the eye?
-Moz
Why do I smile
At people who I'd much rather kick in the eye?
-Moz
Yes it can. Side-effect of the video feature in Live 6. You can set a warped audioclip as master.kramerica wrote:I thought the biggest complaint was that Live can't midi sync/ slave to a real-time sample/recording like EVERY hardware looper can.
STOP COMPETING WITH LOOPERS ABLETON AND JUST CLAIM THE MARKET FOR YOURSELF ALREADY!!!
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djadonis206
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You'll want to frequent here - http://www.abletonlivedj.com/Splosion Right wrote: Time is my issue. Warping does seem time-consuming, no? I can't imagine I'll be DJing with just a computer anytime soon. On average how long does it take you guys to warp an hour's worth of music? I understand it must vary from genre to genre.
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chrysalis33rpm
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I find that the auto-warp feature is quite accurate for most EDM music. Obviously, the simple the rhythmic structure the better a job it does. There are plenty of songs which can be warped good enough to play with in only a few seconds.Splosion Right wrote: It's just a bit rubbish that it does all these cool things but can't match the beats. Computers and math and frequencies and that.
Then again, those tends to be the songs I like less...
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hacktheplanet
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If you wanna beatmatch and mix like a traditional DJ, Live is probably not for you.
The problem with people new to Live is that they haven't broken out of the beatmatch/mix mold yet. I've said it before: Beatmatching is NOT what DJing is about. Anyone can learn to beatmatch, but it takes a special talent to know how to program a DJ set and mix it properly. The art of a DJ is not in his/her beatmatching skill, but in the programming/mixing.
SO. Hopefully that concept is understood, you can mull over the various advantages and disadvantages to both platforms - decks or Live. When it comes down to it, it's all about the interface. If you have a phrase sampler and a bunch of effects units, you can basically do what Live can do. If you prefer it that way, go for it. Nobody is forcing you to use Live. There are many, many DJs in this world who use Live specifically for DJing and live remixing. The most obvious example is Sasha. There are also DJs who use turntables, DJs who use CD players, DJs who use iPods, etc etc etc. Nobody is forcing anyone to use anything, and anyone who denies validity to another person's art form is an asshole.
I don't use Live for DJing because I prefer the turntable/mixer/Serato interface much more, as the music I DJ is not suited very well to live mashing and remixing. I prefer to play my tracks for what they are, and concentrate on set programming. I use Live to play live electronic music however, sequencing synths and stuff, and controlling parameters with a MIDI controller. For that purpose, it's indispensable.
Find what tool you like, and use it. It's music. There are no rules.
ps. it takes me about 20 seconds to warp a track. beat that.
The problem with people new to Live is that they haven't broken out of the beatmatch/mix mold yet. I've said it before: Beatmatching is NOT what DJing is about. Anyone can learn to beatmatch, but it takes a special talent to know how to program a DJ set and mix it properly. The art of a DJ is not in his/her beatmatching skill, but in the programming/mixing.
SO. Hopefully that concept is understood, you can mull over the various advantages and disadvantages to both platforms - decks or Live. When it comes down to it, it's all about the interface. If you have a phrase sampler and a bunch of effects units, you can basically do what Live can do. If you prefer it that way, go for it. Nobody is forcing you to use Live. There are many, many DJs in this world who use Live specifically for DJing and live remixing. The most obvious example is Sasha. There are also DJs who use turntables, DJs who use CD players, DJs who use iPods, etc etc etc. Nobody is forcing anyone to use anything, and anyone who denies validity to another person's art form is an asshole.
I don't use Live for DJing because I prefer the turntable/mixer/Serato interface much more, as the music I DJ is not suited very well to live mashing and remixing. I prefer to play my tracks for what they are, and concentrate on set programming. I use Live to play live electronic music however, sequencing synths and stuff, and controlling parameters with a MIDI controller. For that purpose, it's indispensable.
Find what tool you like, and use it. It's music. There are no rules.
ps. it takes me about 20 seconds to warp a track. beat that.
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I disagree with that for the reason you state here:the_planet wrote:If you wanna beatmatch and mix like a traditional DJ, Live is probably not for you.
this weekend, hundreds of DJs will be using Live to DJ, people will dance, good times will be had.Find what tool you like, and use it. It's music. There are no rules.
especially as a n00b he shouldn't be discouraged from trying anything with Live, he could be the next superstar DJ who happens to love using Live.
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Why do I smile
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At people who I'd much rather kick in the eye?
-Moz
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hacktheplanet
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Well I never meant he should or should not use something... It's totally up to him. Also, that's why demo versions exist. I was trying to point out that it's OK if he decides that Live isn't for him. It's impossible to beatmatch traditionally using Live (spinning discs and pitch faders), because it doesn't have that capability without third-party software (yet).Tone Deft wrote:I disagree with that for the reason you state here:the_planet wrote:If you wanna beatmatch and mix like a traditional DJ, Live is probably not for you.
this weekend, hundreds of DJs will be using Live to DJ, people will dance, good times will be had.Find what tool you like, and use it. It's music. There are no rules.
especially as a n00b he shouldn't be discouraged from trying anything with Live, he could be the next superstar DJ who happens to love using Live.
And I'm aware that thousands of DJs use Live. Good for them! I've seen many Live DJs and they all did wonderfully. Some of us prefer different methods, that's all.
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