So who uses only Live to produce a whole track?

Westpit · Post by **Westpit** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 1:54 pm

I'm a logic guy, but I invested in Live 3.0 & I absolutely love it. But I can't help but feel that Logic has so much more to it. So I use both. Logic for creating/writing & Live for arranging & tweaking.

I'm just interested to see how many of you are happy just using Live & it's features alone? Preferably I'd like to use just one program, and after a few hours on Live I'd thought I'd found the perfect program. But I then realised it's not as in-depth as Logic (in my opinion). Unfortunately I have a PC thus Logic v5.5 = no rewire!

So what are your thoughts on this issue?

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 2:12 pm

Live, microphones, bass & guitar, and a box o' drum samples is all... I'm using Reaktor again now, but I've yet to actually make a track with it!

-Paws

didg19 · Post by **didg19** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 2:26 pm

Have you got to Beta Test Live 4 yet?

If I had Logic I'd use it over Live for sequencing, but so far I've preferred Live 4's new sequencing capabilities over Cubase's ... I'm on a PC...

Mikael Adle · Post by **Mikael Adle** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 2:28 pm

Logic 5.5 has rewire support.

Westpit · Post by **Westpit** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 3:56 pm

Logic 5.5 has rewire support

Really? Woohoo! Can you explain how I can do this?

Cheers...

Per Boysen · Post by **Per Boysen** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 4:01 pm

- Start Loogic.
- Maker sure there are ReWire busses in the Logi environment.
- push "play" in Logic!
- Start Live (while Logic is running)

cryocon · Post by **cryocon** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 4:02 pm

I think it depends what sort of music you write, some sorts are best suited to Logic/Cubase, etc. and some, especially dance music, to Live.

I create breakbeat tracks and have always had a problem building and arranging a track in Cubase, it just takes me ages to get it right. It's not that i don't know how to use Cubase, i've been using it since V2 on the Atari. It's just very unispiring moving blocks around. Now i just create all my loops in Cubase then import them into Live, build up various sections and then do a live recording of the arrangement. I assign all my midi contollers to volumes, effects, track and part switching, etc, and just go for it. It means that you can really get into the track flows much better, and is in the end a lot quicker to do.

Westpit · Post by **Westpit** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 7:23 pm

Nice one cryocon, I use logic to write in and then load the samples into Live for the big kahuna stuff, I find it a flows a lot more too.

Per Boysen: I didn't realise it was that simple! Although I got an error when doing this....

"Error while trying to Synchronis AUDIO and MIDI
Sample rate 40289 recognised
Check conflic between Logic and external device"

I am relitively new to the production game, & I am self taught so much of the technical jargon goes right ove my head. What exactly do you mean when you say "Maker sure there are ReWire busses in the Logic environment." Sorry for being a novice but we all have to start somewhere eh!

Thanks in advance for your help.

Joe.

P.S. I seem to bee spending double the amount of time trying to get help on forums than I do actually using the programs!!!

Per Boysen · Post by **Per Boysen** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:37 pm

Westpit wrote:What exactly do you mean when you say "Maker sure there are ReWire busses in the Logic environment."

I mean that if tthere are no ReWire busses you have to create some. (in the Environment) go down the "New" menu and chose "audio object". Then you select the object you crated, go to the paramterer strip to the left (if the parameter strip is no open - open it by pressing "H" or chose "parameters" under the "view" menu. Now, in the parameter box you hold down the mouse button (left one) over the area to the right of where it says "cha". Chose under "rewire" the channel you want to use. The first too busses are not called bus 1 and bus 2 since they stream the two master channels of the stereo out (from Live). But then with bus 3 the names go on logically up to bus 16. Each bus, between 3 and 16, that is picked to stream into Logic is automatically taken out of the Rewire Left/Right stereo stream. Hope you get on with it

Regarding that "Sample rate 40289 recognised" you may check that you have not by mistake mixed files of 48000 and 41000 in the same song. Or that you do not have wrong digital clock connected somewhere (can be a DAT recorder turned off that has to be either turned on or disconnected etc etc)

Anubis · Post by **Anubis** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 4:05 am

I find that the beauty of live is that you can compose music by truly performing it in the session view. That's what sets it apart from all other sequencers where you're limited to a static linear flow of the creative process. But then it gets even better cause once you've recorded you can edit the heck out of your "performance" in the arrange view. The only thing that upsets me is that I had a fully functional, Rewire-enabled demo version of Live2 laying around for a whole year and I never used it! Then I cranked it up and I never looked back(at my old sequencer). Food even tastes better after Live!

Robert Henke · Post by **Robert Henke** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:30 pm

To give an answer to the topics question and a bit to that on going sound quality debate:

i use live since version 2.0 as my main DAW and i did two albums, and a bunch of other productions with it. before i did use protools.
i am currently working on a new CD using live 4 and preparing new material for a live performance. appart from Live i use MAX/MSP for various kinds of digital processing but the essential point to me is that i never use unaltered beat-loops. i hate things which do repeat again and again the same way.

My sounds sources are usually analog or vintage digital synthesizers which do show all kinds of unpredictable behaviour and this leads to
tracks with a slightly different asthetic from the usual TV commercial
stuff.

Good sound has allways been more a question of personal experience
then of technology. If you like your instruements you will create good sounds with them.

I tried to work with the Waldorf Wave 2.5 plugin. I could not stand that photorealistic user interface with i found hard to work with. I had good luck and found a used origianal PPG 2.3 and this machine is definitly very
very odd. But even if it sounds much more rough then the plugin i work with it all day because i love the way it interacts with me. So finally i
am able to get beautifull sounds out of it, much nicer then all the presets of the vsti....

Robert
monolake

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 4:19 pm

Wait till Live 4 hits the market - I've been beta testing 4 and I'm pretty much sold on the idea I'll never have to use the Environment again

I don't use any external gear except for a MPC 1000 so...with the inception of virtual instruments in Live 4 I have no need to use Logic again

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 12:01 am

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 2:39 am

Robert Henke wrote:To give an answer to the topics question and a bit to that on going sound quality debate:

i use live since version 2.0 as my main DAW and i did two albums, and a bunch of other productions with it. before i did use protools.
i am currently working on a new CD using live 4 and preparing new material for a live performance. appart from Live i use MAX/MSP for various kinds of digital processing but the essential point to me is that i never use unaltered beat-loops. i hate things which do repeat again and again the same way.

Good sound has allways been more a question of personal experience
then of technology. If you like your instruements you will create good sounds with them.

Robert
monolake

It's really cool (and impressive) to hear that you are using pretty much just Live to produce your monolake stuff. I wondered if you just did your live shows with it. On the other hand, having just bought Live a couple of weeks ago, I seem to get that monolake sound everytime I use the filter delay or resonator plug-in, so that should have given me a clue...!

Looking forward to the new record (please make a Hong Kong Pt. II!)
peter.

suburbanbather · Post by **suburbanbather** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:19 am

I just got live3 last week and patientally waiting on 4. I've only messed around with 3 for a day or so and am already impressed

. I just ordered Absynth2 and a Uc33e controller to use with live4. I come from a Reaktor3 and Acid3 backround on a pIII win98se pc, so making the transition to Live4 and Absynth2, (only) should be painless for me. Just getting used to the live interface will take some getting used to. From just messing about with 3, I can tell 4 will be the furthest I will look in DAW's, with the exception of future live upgrades. And oh yeah, the resonator plug in is badass, very cool to layer a duplicate of a drum loop over a dry version and tweak away!

So who uses only Live to produce a whole track?

So who uses only Live to produce a whole track?

Liven me up!