I am leaving mac for PC- change Motu ultralite for ???

horselesspaul · Post by **horselesspaul** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:57 am

beats me wrote:
nathannn wrote:he never said pirated software.
About 5 years ago I switched to PC specifically because of all the "free" software I could get from my friends who were of course all software resellers of high integrity and moral fiber. But when I did, instead of writing music I played a bunch of video games, made stupid pictures in photoshop, pirated a bunch of songs, and reinstalled my system software every 2 months. Now I'm back on a Mac, paying for software and music, and writing songs.

I'm not saying writing music should only be a luxury of the rich but you can't tell me people aren't drawn to PCs because of all the "free" software they can get from their "friends". And yes, I do know there are a lot more legitimately free plugins for PCs but I doubt anyone is sitting there writing music with nothing but the free plugins and are completely content with it when their friends have a "free" copy of commercial software they can install.

Haha. Good post.

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:21 pm

leandrogonza wrote:thanks for all responses!

It is great that i read of the importance of having a TI chip on the firewire card of the pc.
Cause i have read a lot of reviews even in musicians friend about the trouble with pc and ultralite.

Mac users dont get angry, i am not saying i leave mac cause it sucks!
I Love mac. The computer is really nice out of the box.
And i personally love the imovie, itunes i photo, and all those media managing
that is really nice. The screen are outstanding. And the OS is a dream.
Crashes every 2 years, instead of 2 months as windows.

I may get a new macbook and try the bootcamp thing.
So that way, i could get everything for pc too.

But in a way i dont see the point of buying a 2k computer, if i am gonna run windows on it 80% of the time.

Anyone using the ultralite in macbook pro___???

Could i be able to work 80% of the set on windows, save the file in an external HD, and then keep working on it on OSX__?? of course asuming that i converted all my VST Tracks on audio tracks.

thanks again

I don't think anybody on this thread is upset you are switching from Mac to PC. It's more that it sounds like you are doing it to use pirated software, but as was pointed out, you never said that directly. Came pretty damn close to saying it though.

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:31 pm

FWIW, quite a few people I know use Ultralite's on XP laptops with no issues at all, including me.

leandrogonza · Post by **leandrogonza** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:57 pm

i did not say that, cause i knew there would be a lot of people who would say i am a thief if i use pirated software.

You have to understand that i live in Argentina.
I don't get a salary in Us dollars or Euros.

I get Argentinian pesos.
Therefore in order to get, for instance Waves plugins (which i dont have) i would have to spend around 4k in dollars.
around 13,000 argentinian pesos, which is all my yearly income.

I dont defend the use of pirated software.
But i can not defend the software developers either.

they are after the european and usa market. and the rest of the world they don't care. obviously.

So 99% of the people of the world who dont live in a 1st world country, are not in any condition to purchase almost any professional audio software.
For us is. Or i respect the law. and don't eat for a year.
Or i get pirated software.

It is not even a choice.

In any case the only choice would be not to create music with my computer, to respect the laws.
And go back to my tascam porta studio. so i would be a nice boy.

Again, i dont think that using pirated software is 100% ok.
But for whoever is not completely rich in a 3rd world country, is completely imposible to play by the rules.

I bought live 5. paid for it. and i would pay again for it, cause it is a great software.

anyway see ya

Frederik654 · Post by **Frederik654** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:09 pm

Change this ..

Location: Miami

leandrogonza · Post by **leandrogonza** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:23 pm

hahaha

when i registered on this forum, i was living in miami.
(ilegally). hehe.
I know some of you think an illegal inmigrant is also a horrible law breaker.
Some of you see the light.
hehe

now i live in Buenos aires.

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:17 am

Just for the record I wasn't dissing you specifically for using pirated software if that is what you are doing. You make a valid point about not being in the richest part of the world, but there are people who will use pirated software under the premise they can't afford to pay for software but will go out and blow a plugin's worth of money on drugs and alcohol over a weekend. There are also people who do it just because they can even when they can afford it or feel software developers somehow owe them a free unlimited trial period before they purchase.

It's all good. Do your thing.

Oscar F · Post by **Oscar F** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:24 am

beats me wrote:
nathannn wrote:he never said pirated software.
About 5 years ago I switched to PC specifically because of all the "free" software I could get from my friends who were of course all software resellers of high integrity and moral fiber. But when I did, instead of writing music I played a bunch of video games, made stupid pictures in photoshop, pirated a bunch of songs, and reinstalled my system software every 2 months. Now I'm back on a Mac, paying for software and music, and writing songs.

I'm not saying writing music should only be a luxury of the rich but you can't tell me people aren't drawn to PCs because of all the "free" software they can get from their "friends". And yes, I do know there are a lot more legitimately free plugins for PCs but I doubt anyone is sitting there writing music with nothing but the free plugins and are completely content with it when their friends have a "free" copy of commercial software they can install.

Ahem .............. I know of someone who recently got a MacBook Pro because of friends with certain software benefits I kid you not.

Atomikat · Post by **Atomikat** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:40 am

nathannn wrote:he never said pirated software.

Nope...but it's obvious...

Isaac Yacockov · Post by **Isaac Yacockov** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:05 am

gomi wrote:
leandrogonza wrote:But all my friends in Buenos Aires Argentina, use Pc, and it is very easy for me to get tons of software thru them.s
wow
may all your hair fall out and
your feet become stinky.

and zits... lots and lots of zits.

wait a minute, I am bald as a head of cabbage, I stink something terrible, and I got a complexion that could save my anal virginity in Prison. But I Own all my software, always have and always will. It's the right thing to do!

husker · Post by **husker** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:55 am

It's always amazing how people can afford to buy all the hardware in the world but for some reason can't afford to buy software? Is there different exchange rates for software?

leandrogonza · Post by **leandrogonza** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:32 am

i am sorry, but if you know anyone that is not rich in argentina, and has tons of hardware let me know.

I purchased what i have in miami, when i was living there. And making dollars working in ocean drive's hotels.

At that time i bought my imac g5 (that i was not able to upgrade due to the mac prices in argentina, that are around of 60% more than in an apple store in the US).

My motu ultralite also.
(not that i want to upgrade it, now that i know about the TI chip issue).

I also bought live 5, for mac. and i don't regret a dollar spent on it.

Resuming, i lived in the USa for 6 years. And i know how people live there.

There is not much to say. In miami you save a month or two, and you can get a new imac. In Buenos Aires, i have to save for more than a year and not be able to get it.

Here is very difficult to be able to get hardware at first. and everything related to computers is 60% more expensive than the us, in some cases over 100% more.

wanna check it. goto the ebay version in argentina

www.mercadolibre.com.ar

and look for a motu ultralite. 950 dollars the cheapest.
in the us i got it 550.

do the math.

Again i dont say software developers are the devil, and they deserve to be pirated.
I just say, that for more than 85% of the world.

IS NOT POSSIBLE to play by the rules.

Who are the main software crackers??

THE chinese!!

How could a chinese guy working for 0.50 cts an hour get a couple of software for recording.???

I admire bill clinton as a politic, not as a person.
But once i heard a very intelligent phrase from him.

He was asked what did he thought being intelligent meant.

And he said:

"Getting into the other person's shoes, and looking, analizing the issue from that perspective"

I think most of you, are looking from your own perspective.

If i was making 3,2,1 thousanddollars a month i would not even think about going pirate way.

i make 400 dollars a month.

see you guys. respect!

longjohns · Post by **longjohns** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:45 am

I feel you.

I have a friend who has now permanently moved to Argentina

Previously he had worked for about three months per year in the States, and lived off that for the other 9 months of the year, without working, in Mendoza.

So, subtracting the (probably high) cost of the airfare (etc. - I think it involved flying Seattle - Texas, Texas - Santiago Chile, and a bus ride over the mountains)

it's probably at least 5:1 on $$ (?)

leandrogonza · Post by **leandrogonza** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:02 am

The argentinian peso is 1 dollar=3.17 peso

What your friend from mendoza did, is very common, for the few people who have us visa.
if your friend made 2 thousand dollars a month in seattle.
And he managed to save 1200 dollars a month. living like shit, of course. (with 3 room mates).
he would save 3600 taking out the airfare.
he may have 3 thousand dollars, to live 9 monhs in argentina.

around 9500 pesos, which is very decent money to live in mendoza for 9 months.

by the way, if any of you has a little savings, come to Argentina you are gonna have an insane time. 9 imean good heheh).

I just came back from a barbecue, i went with my mother, wife and brother.
We ate great meat, a lot, drunk good wine. And spent after all, with tip. 100 pesos.
33 dollars. 8 dollars each.

Again i don't mean to be a cry baby, just see that Argentina is maybe the most civilized and pro european country in south america.

All imported goods are imposible to accquire by anyone who is not rich.

Come to argentina. Americans and europeans, with the exchange rate you will have a greater vacation than anywhere!! you will be a king!!!

see ya

Ps: Mendoza is the Wine area, where you can get incredible wines for almost nothing
one suggestion.

Get this wine: Weinert Malbec from mendoza.
In the us, cost around 20 dollars.
Here in Argentina, you can get it for 10 dollars.
It equals a 100 dollars bottle from france.

see ya

longjohns · Post by **longjohns** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:42 am

leandrogonza wrote:. living like shit, of course. (with 3 room mates).

even better, he stayed with his parents for free!

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