Linux + Live?

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:08 pm

If the only reason for adding linux support is to "avoid windows". Then why not just go 100% mac with Live? Like logic did..

*Puts on Kevlar vest, barricades doors and windows and goes hiding in the bomb shelter*

Before Ableton should even start to consider adding another platform.. Let them get Live working as it should, on Windows and OSX.

They cant manage to keep up with 2 platforms.. Now you're asking for a third?

marky · Post by **marky** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:36 pm

hoffman2k wrote:If the only reason for adding linux support is to "avoid windows". Then why not just go 100% mac with Live? Like logic did..

*Puts on Kevlar vest, barricades doors and windows and goes hiding in the bomb shelter*

Before Ableton should even start to consider adding another platform.. Let them get Live working as it should, on Windows and OSX.

They cant manage to keep up with 2 platforms.. Now you're asking for a third?

This is exactly the point I was about to make. Why not just go OS X if you hate Windows so much (and who doesn't). Why would Ableton add yet another platform?

I am not a fan of Linux, and I use it day in, day out at work as an engineer - have done for 6 years. (Prior to that I was on Solaris, which was much better. )

Linux is unsupported, and has far, far too many variations. Althought lots of people claim to use it, they only use it for one or two things and few people who do anything productive use it solely. Too many people claim they're linux hacks but barely use it for anything.

- Mark

bigbadotis · Post by **bigbadotis** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:52 pm

Why not just go OS X if you hate Windows so much (and who doesn't)

Why not just vote Republican if you're not happy with the Democrats' leadership?

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:26 pm

hoffman2k wrote:Then why not just go 100% mac with Live? Like logic did..

Because Ableton arn't stupid, why would they limit their market like that?

I for one would have to ditch Live if that happened, I live in the SW of england (Cornwall, where I grew up) myself and partner work all hours we can on the wages we get in these parts and struggle to pay a mortgage on our first time (tiny) house. My rapidly aging machine is self built and has run without a hitch, on the original XP install that I did nearly 5 years ago now. It's still running flawlessly.
Around the time i put this machine together this forum was full of mac guys screaming for Altivec support and dissing my machine as a "stupid wintel box", pretty ironic don't you think. I wonder how many mac users have updated their expensive hardware at least once in that time, and all for the same intel stability that I've had for five years.

I can't afford that upgrade path, don't want an OS that I cant bend to my will, and will never EVER go mac, purely on principal because of how much flac I've had to take over the years I've been on my chosen platform.

Absolutely LOVING linux these days, I'm not alone, I may have to ditch Live at some point as a result. Personally I really hope I don't have to but if it came to the crunch I would't switch platform for the world, I'd give up electronic production first.

I don't think Ableton are that dumb though.

friend_kami · Post by **friend_kami** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:35 pm

Martyn wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:Then why not just go 100% mac with Live? Like logic did..
Because Ableton arn't stupid, why would they limit their market like that?

I for one would have to ditch Live if that happened, I live in the SW of england (Cornwall, where I grew up) myself and partner work all hours we can on the wages we get in these parts and struggle to pay a mortgage on our first time (tiny) house. My rapidly aging machine is self built and has run without a hitch, on the original XP install that I did nearly 5 years ago now. It's still running flawlessly.
Around the time i put this machine together this forum was full of mac guys screaming for Altivec support and dissing my machine as a "stupid wintel box", pretty ironic don't you think. I wonder how many mac users have updated their expensive hardware at least once in that time, and all for the same intel stability that I've had for five years.

I can't afford that upgrade path, don't want an OS that I cant bend to my will, and will never EVER go mac, purely on principal because of how much flac I've had to take over the years I've been on my chosen platform.

Absolutely LOVING linux these days, I'm not alone, I may have to ditch Live at some point as a result. Personally I really hope I don't have to but if it came to the crunch I would't switch platform for the world, I'd give up electronic production first.

I don't think Ableton are that dumb though.

thats the thing, im considering ditching live aswell. ive switched software before, and now it has come to that point that i use windows for live *only*.

i would go the osx86 route if i could, but unfortunately my mobo isnt supported. not yet anyways

but yeah, i am considering to skip live, format my windows disk and just be done with it, since i only windows for live only.

yesyes, i know that i can "just" buy a mac but here the catch: in order to buy something you need money. i dont have money. and no, i cant work because im pre-retired due to muscular disease, so there you have it.

i will however try to save up money for a laptop at some point, and unless ableton releases a linux port, or if someone gets it to run properly under wine/open office or any of the vmware clones, i will force myself to buy a mac even though i dont want to.

or quit using live.

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:41 pm

Martyn wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:Then why not just go 100% mac with Live? Like logic did..
Because Ableton arn't stupid, why would they limit their market like that?

But by supporting 3 platforms. They will do a worse job on supporting the 2 platforms they already have.
Point in case: Live 6.0.8b9

One year after the Live 6 release and they still haven't ironed out the most basic of bugs..

I'm not saying they should drop windows. It was more like a hypothetical question then a suggestion.
If windows works for you, cool. If it doesn't, then what difference will linux make?

Will it work faster? More stable?
Faster then what? More stable then what?

again.. hypothetical questions.. I'm not asking for benchmarks that don't exsist anyway.

friend_kami · Post by **friend_kami** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:54 pm

i find that windows crashes more often then live does. infact it rarely crashes at all, and when it does it tells me that a serious error occured and then i can continue playing, so hey.. not the biggest of problems hehe.

thing is, when windows crashes it crashes completely. so yeah, i wouldnt mind running it on linux, because linux doesnt crash unless youre making it crash (unstable packages, fked up configuration/whatever).

which means that linux + live would be rock solid if configured right.

i have my xp up and running pretty damn stable, rarely crashes, but it does because.. well.. its windows.

i dont think that dropping to just supporting one platform would make them fix bug A and bug B faster, if theyre not fixed by now then theres a reason for it.

like, they cant fix it because they dont know what is causing it?
theyre lazy?
they spend more time working on more crap to put on the next update instead or squashing bugs, because new features often means more potentional customers?

whatever the reasons are..

i can tell you this though, i know shitloads of people who would cut off an arm to get ableton live working under linux, hell i know people who switched to linux and stopped making electronic music because they used live only, and cant be arsed to learn other software.

i doubt they will loose customers anyways, quite the opposite. not to mention the possibilities with live running native with linux, jack, all the different sequencers and whatnots, the live api and whatnots + all the audio goodies linux provides..

holy shit!

friend_kami · Post by **friend_kami** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:58 pm

hoffman2k wrote:If the only reason for adding linux support is to "avoid windows". Then why not just go 100% mac with Live? Like logic did..

*Puts on Kevlar vest, barricades doors and windows and goes hiding in the bomb shelter*

Before Ableton should even start to consider adding another platform.. Let them get Live working as it should, on Windows and OSX.

They cant manage to keep up with 2 platforms.. Now you're asking for a third?

btw, id rather see them spending time on this then spending time on adding video support and trying to make live more of a sequencer and less of an realtime improvisational tool/dj tool.

you want a sequencer, get a sequencer. live is not a sequencer, it just thinks it is, since people tend to think that you need one to make music.

wtf is that all about.

ableton LIVE, now with timelines and pre-recording! as live as it can get! almost!
wtf..

you want to arrange things, go buy a sequencer dammit.

sorry for going offtopic *cough drunk cough*

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:59 pm

@Hoffman2k

Yeah, i do see your point, I'm not interested in going down the Vista path either though, and that's the rub. The fact is I'm doing everything i need a computer to do using Linux, overall it's running gobsmackingly well for everybody I know who uses it, and there are a growing number of alternative audio apps that I can get respectable results out of already. I only need windows for Live and some plugins that i'm not all that attached to if a better alternative were to appear (that's the thing with software).

It really is a matter of time for me, it's not my living you see, not "taking it seriously" has given me a creative freedom that i never dreamed of. Ironically I think I'm creating better music now as a result.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if Ableton ported Live to Linux, FWIW I don't think it'll happen either, the Linux paradigm is just too different. Sad but true.

.

friend_kami · Post by **friend_kami** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:16 pm

i know there were a planned live clone posted on sourcforge.net but im not sure if they quit it or not.

tjwett · Post by **tjwett** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:33 pm

philipc wrote:From threads i've read in the past it'll run but not well.

wha? huh? how?

Mesmer · Post by **Mesmer** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:30 pm

Linux guys, I feel you.
I really consider myself part of OSS/GNU movement whatever....

Look, sorry to break it to you:
Linux is not ready yet (driverwise).
It's marketshare is very limited.
If you need convincing, study that blazing multi-mega-bucks industry called _Linux_Gaming.
(For those not in the know,
Here's_Gaming_onLinux_Platform | Here's_a_Bunch of_zeros)

Look, the battle's already won, with big bad evil empire closed sources defeated ... All of this seems like Dancing Ewoks time, to me, really.
Don't you think Ableton Developer's have more than a few Linux boxes and servers for the coding...

Right tools for the right job, remember?
feel, you ok. Love you. Just let this go.

-h

friend_kami · Post by **friend_kami** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:02 pm

id say its ready. all my hardware is working 100% straight out of the box with my distro anyways. btw, who cares about linux gaming? were talking music here, not gaming.

Mesmer · Post by **Mesmer** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:38 am

Microsoft says Vista is ready;
that don't change a thang.

friend_kami · Post by **friend_kami** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:47 am

yeah but vista does have a really big problem with like.. well.. all drivers. not to mention that you need 1gb of ram just to use their "improved" graphic engine.

linux works out fo the box with alot of crap, without any terminal use even, and the things iit doesnt work with, its a matter of downloading, installing, enjoying.

yes, i know that linux is missing alot of support of alot of things, but really.. comparing it to vista is just plain stupid.