Live audio quality?

[evernaut]

making music under those conditions is pretty impossible.

Robert

Thanks Robert, you nailed it.

Which is exactly why no-one should bother. After all, only the perfect possible recording scenario can produce killer tunes

So if you have a great idea and only have your bedroom set-up to capture it with, you may as well forget it. Especially if you're using Live since it's clearly rubbish. All pros know that.

Just watch tv instead.

It'd be great if this nonce sense could just stop now - or be applied in the form of legitimate tests as detailed above.

[forge]

...making music under those conditions is pretty impossible.

Robert

didnt I show you my neuro-acoustic cancellation flotation tank robert?

completely phase inverts signals to the phase of your brainwaves so you can enjoy sonic perfection, directly piped into your cerebral cortex

the new iSkull prototype Cranial implants eliminate the need for all these inferior conditions

[Heinz Graaf]

Robert Henke, can I send you a bug list via private message? Cause I have lots of em. I will try to be as detailed as possible.

[leisuremuffin]

Find a simple reproduceable scenario for this bug, send a step by step explanation of how to create those pesky little things to [email protected] and it will most likely be fixed in the next minor update. Are you sure you still get those with Live 6?

Robert

[email protected]



its their job.




.lm.

[Robert Henke]

I dont know what else I can say really

a/ make clip
b/ divide clip by deleting bars
c/ delete divided clip
d/ there is the little fucker

i dont know if i have hit BACKSPACE or the euro sign inbetween. Live makes annoying clips and it does it often.

sorry, but i tried serveral times with all sorts of scenarios and cannot reproduce the problem.

what exactly do you mean with "make a clip" ? MIDI or Audio? dragging from browser into arranger? is it warped, with or with out fade, how long is the clip?
with devide clip by deleting bars you mean cut out songtime or something else?
what OS and what exact version of Live are you using?

is there a szenario where you have a few reproduceable steps that 100% create this bug?

believe me, if this bug would be so easy to reproduce it would have been fixed years ago.

Robert

[Robert Henke]

Robert Henke, can I send you a bug list via private message? Cause I have lots of em. I will try to be as detailed as possible.

Hallo Heinz, you could send me a PM, but i would suggest using [email protected] instead. This is better, since it will lead to a more formailsed process, and it will reach the right guys. I am just trolling here because I am the Ableton Evangelist (tm).

Robert

[Heinz Graaf]

I dont know what else I can say really

a/ make clip
b/ divide clip by deleting bars
c/ delete divided clip
d/ there is the little fucker

i dont know if i have hit BACKSPACE or the euro sign inbetween. Live makes annoying clips and it does it often.

sorry, but i tried serveral times with all sorts of scenarios and cannot reproduce the problem.

what exactly do you mean with "make a clip" ? MIDI or Audio? dragging from browser into arranger? is it warped, with or with out fade, how long is the clip?
with devide clip by deleting bars you mean cut out songtime or something else?
what OS and what exact version of Live are you using?

is there a szenario where you have a few reproduceable steps that 100% create this bug?

believe me, if this bug would be so easy to reproduce it would have been fixed years ago.

Robert

Any clip. Recorded, imported,... And of course its an audio clip. Clip fading is set as default. No warping. Clips can be a sixteenth note or 16 whole notes. Doesnt really matter. This happens in version 5.xx and 6.xx. No specific version. By deleting bars I mean deleting songtime. "Cut Time" option it is called I think.
"Reproducable steps that 100% create this bug?" .. No, sorry. This is as detailed as I can be. If you havent figure it out, I certainly will not either

A little anecdote on the subject maybe? My buddy uses Live too and he loves it and doesnt have any problems with it. Until I showed him the "cut time" option. Now he has unwanted clips all over the place. thats how I figured out the cut time option creates the clips I always had but never understood where they were coming from

[rbro]

"Reproducable steps that 100% create this bug?" .. No, sorry. This is as detailed as I can be. If you havent figure it out, I certainly will not either

Really,how dare he ask for reproducible steps to try and diagnose and resolve your issue. The nerve!

[Heinz Graaf]

you see what I mean by "Ableton groupies". Youre all in Roberts pants. Come on now. I just said I cant be any more detailed. I just dont know more.

[rbro]

you see what I mean by "Ableton groupies". Youre all in Roberts pants. Come on now. I just said I cant be any more detailed. I just dont know more.

Well obviously you can be more detailed, you just choose not to be. Launch the frigging program and reproduce the steps one by one so everyone can see and try it for themselves.

[the ar]

Yeah, I do see a lot of butt licking.
Pretty annoying.
And Robert is actually the only one who is trying to help the guy out.
Anyway, this 'Live Audio Quality' issue is just bullshit.
Sounds bad to you?
Change DAW.

[Robert Henke]

uhm...can we please try to keep this discussion a bit less personal? Thank you.

A bug can only be solved if it shows up while Live is running here in front of us at the office. If that bug is very difficult to reproduce we might not find it. What can you, the user, do? You can complain about it, and we will take it as serious as possibe, but we are a just handful people, and we might not find it. So, it makes sense that you guys out there try to create a scenario that makes it easier for us to fix the problem.
Not because we are lazy, but simply because if everyone who had this problem would spent only ten minutes trying to nail it down, it would exceed everything we could do by a magnitude.

Robert

[Heinz Graaf]

Yeah, I do see a lot of butt licking.
Pretty annoying.

YES!

And Robert is actually the only one who is trying to help the guy out.

YES! and hoffman

Anyway, this 'Live Audio Quality' issue is just bullshit.

NOPE!

Sounds bad to you?

NO!

[Heinz Graaf]

I don't see what is so bad about the audio quality in Live. People complain about Reason as well. I actually like the sounds and ease of use of both. Get Pro-tools that my convince you that you are sounding better, since you would be using the so called industry standard and a magazine and "Pros" tell you to use it.

Yes, dude with 1 post. But Reason sounds good. Live just misses something in my ears.

[rikhyray]

A hardware synth company requested that next time I do demo songs for them I must film myself. The reason was that they were accused that the demos didn't truly represent the product since were processed in those"big ass German studios". even the designers themselves including mr.Alex H. could not believe that there was nothing else used then their synth plugged into RME, Ableton and TC VST reverb as only non Ableton FX. and most of it was done in my garden on liegesthul sipping Mojitos.
My point is that all those people live from that they mostly know their "sh.." and come on most of fellows here know more about tech stuff then me, since it was not a remix for a Grammy , just regular synth demo songs I didn't even put that much care for all details , did whole think outside, just check and did little correction in the studio, meaning hearing it on monitors not cans.
In few years I had only 2-3 issues, though never solved, the support tried the best , no doubt. It is all so complex that sometimes there is no solution, and I have no interest, patience, time to spend on messed up sh...t. I rather take the audio files into new project reconstruct and throw the problematic ones away. I am not a beta tester type, rather do music and leave the tech stuff to be fixed by experts. I feel they do good job, would love to see usable midi but for the audio side no complains.