Live audio quality?

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:58 pm

LJN wrote:The Abletalibans are on the move!

LOL!!

they hate us for our trance

Igor L · Post by **Igor L** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:12 pm

Tone Deft wrote:3phase isn't worthy to even get Henke's drinks from the bar let alone challenge his audio knowledge.

Amen to that.

forge · Post by **forge** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:53 am

Tone Deft wrote:
Igor L wrote:In my short time on this forum I'm honestly shocked at the amount of whining that takes place about nothing.
3phase is wholly incapable of describing or dealing with the problem and he does so while insulting Ableton and Robert Henke. it's a fine example of the arrogance and ignorance that can come with an open, worldwide public forum. 3phase isn't worthy to even get Henke's drinks from the bar let alone challenge his audio knowledge. he doesn't even know how to use Live and admits he doesn't even use it that much yet he's very critical of their business practices.

time to ignore this thread?

knotkranky · Post by **knotkranky** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:19 am

I stayed out of this one until 21 pages, in warp he was, fuckin hilarious.
Anybody remember when I unleashed my own rathe at abes? I think it got the same amount of pages, except I was never put out on it.
Completely right until the end of that one. Much of the same characters too. Boy did I get pummled!! My lesson?........ I simply got
tired and didn't give a shit anymore, but look!... I still enjoy Live...... and my wheelo. Abe's still deserves a good spankin every once in a while.

7 better be a rock.

analogaccess · Post by **analogaccess** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:05 am

who cares in the audience really so long as they are being messages by groove and blasted occasionally by mid ranged?

I've been at live since 1.5,, and it' all been a great adapting and learning experience. All music composed in instruments ,and arranges in Logic until live transpositiion.

If people enjoy the music.. great... the geeks who stand behind the performer, trying to learn tricks are a special breed.
Perhaps they might try to enjoy the experience as is.

-Jay

THANKS people and ABLETON!!
Best - jAy/ nyc/boston, usa

--
"Don't forget to TURN ON THE SYNTHESIZER. Often this is the reason why you get no sound out of it."
(ARP 2600 Owner's Manual)

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:16 am

evernaut wrote:
headquest wrote:
evernaut wrote:
I also think it should be made crystal clear in the manual.
And in the on-screen getting started tutorial
Or... as embedded text across the top of the session view

Or simply a loud hooter could sound whenever you drag in a clip and it's auto-warped. (Note, i think this would have to be switchable so that the real Power Users can turn it off

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pix · Post by **pix** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:00 am

I didn't read all threads behind but for me the difference is quite obvious. And it's not about the summing only.

If you open a VSTi in Live and Logic and just play it the difference is immediately audible.

or just monitor your incoming sound from Live or logic. The difference is there as well.

now, i love Live and it's the only program i really enjoy using, but denying this is stupid. unless you have crappy monitors or half pound of wax in your ears.

my hope is that live's engine gets refined by the pluggo team or apple decides to copy ableton's workflow in it's new product and uses logic's engine/synths.

smartass303 · Post by **smartass303** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:22 am

Really?
Did some testing with an old logic 5 version for pc, and its not OBVIOUS!
Playing a Vsti sounds the samein both hosts (i tested), for real dude...

Audioesoterics unite,

303

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:27 am

Given that the phase cancellation test has demonstrated there is no difference between Live and Cubase, I think we can be sure that the same applies to Logic. Or are we hobbling perilously towards another stupid "Logic is better than Cubase" conversation? In which case, that nonsense was settled long ago (and personally I hate both anyway

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3dot... · Post by **3dot...** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:32 am

pix wrote:I
If you open a VSTi in Live and Logic and just play it the difference is immediately audible.

my hope is that live's engine gets refined by the pluggo team or apple decides to copy ableton's workflow in it's new product and uses logic's engine/synths.

...no...man they sound the same
...or maybe I just have wax in my ears...

I see NO USE in opening another DAW...
Unless its for 'workflow' reasons...

I do everything within live...
have done so for approx. 4 years...
been a cubase/PT power user up until then...

cressy · Post by **cressy** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:00 am

Seriously though, who has ever submitted a tune to a label... or played some tunes live in a club... or even taken some tunes round to a mates house and put it on their stereo, only to be told,

"Hey, this tune is pretty cool... did you make it in Ableton though? you should have used Logic man... what where you thinking?"

I've personally never noticed a difference between Cubase and Live (though I've never used Logic)... but even if there was one, I dunno, that would be kinda cool if each DAW gave it's own 'sound' to a tune... But they all seem pretty transparent to me.

3dot... · Post by **3dot...** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:43 am

cressy wrote:Seriously though, who has ever submitted a tune to a label... or played some tunes live in a club... or even taken some tunes round to a mates house and put it on their stereo, only to be told,

"Hey, this tune is pretty cool... did you make it in Ableton though? you should have used Logic man... what where you thinking?"

...Nevermind the Bollocks...

But seriously , What WERE you thinkin'?

(a label will not tell u to go and use logic silly...)

Khazul · Post by **Khazul** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:19 am

FFS - if you are picking up differences between DAWs then the only way I can see that happening is down to different EQs and pan laws being applied.

Summing is basically summing - at worst you may get different DAWs dealing with rounding differently, but I doubt it as most are running 32 or 64 bit float internally these days (??)

You may also find different DAWs have a different approach to rounding/dithering down to 24 or 16 bit from whatever internal proccesing format they use.

BTW - on the phase cancellation tests - only works if you look at the resulting post cancellation waveform as most difference will be at -60dB or more - probably closer to -90dB.

Live is different when you sample audio and forget to do the appropriate thing with warp modes and often it sounds shit for that reason - A common problem is people default warp to beats and groove to some swing or other. With non zero global swing - thats going to sound a complete mess. Set you default to straight, and maybe even set the default warp to pitch for eg (pitch mode doesnt chop the original sample into grains - all the other modes chop and resynthesis the original audio). Pitch mode should also have the lowest CPU use, though I havnt tested that.

cressy · Post by **cressy** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:03 pm

...Nevermind the Bollocks...

But seriously , What WERE you thinkin'?

(a label will not tell u to go and use logic silly...)

uh... wires crossed, I think you're actually agreeing with me

Or am I the confused party here.... Damn text and it's inability to infer sarcasm/irony/etc...

Just to be clear, when I said "has anyone ever been told by a label...", I should have added a "of course not, that would be ridiculous" - however I though that much would be obvious... obviously not.

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:30 pm

.wav files sound better than .aif.

but .aiff files sound better than both of those.

.lm.