i would like to personal thank apple for logic 8 ...

studiologic · Post by **studiologic** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:31 am

are far as what you get with live 6 compared to logic 8, live 6 is not even in the same class.

live 7 i bet will be a monster.

logic 8 looks so nice, i am thinking about buying one of $2000 dongle (mac pro).

but then again the ball is in ableton court now.

competition is great. thanks again apple for logic 8.

p.s. ableton, i have my upgrade money ready for live 7 because i know is it going to be a monster. it has to be.

Landser · Post by **Landser** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:14 am

You see a new toy/tool/gear and want it. You forget what you really need and all your thoughts are focused on the new toy/tool/gear that you need now. Advertising creates your needs. Nevertheless you feel as a free human.
My deepest condolences.

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:22 am

Make Live 7 more awesome and cheaper then Logic 8 or i'll kill the kitty.

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:13 am

Landser wrote:You see a new toy/tool/gear and want it. You forget what you really need and all your thoughts are focused on the new toy/tool/gear that you need now. Advertising creates your needs. Nevertheless you feel as a free human.
My deepest condolences.

not entirely true holmes, I've wanted logic for ages but the price was out of my league considering I'd be a noob with it for 6months-1year....plus the dongle issue has kept me from getting various stuff too, although I was coming around to the idea of dongles.

I'm sold now because of the new price tag and the extras are a big bonus plus the lack of dongle. I expect tonnes of folks feel the same way. I wont be ditching live either. I only use live's session view, nothings gonna change there.

3dot... · Post by **3dot...** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:37 am

hoffman2k wrote:

Make Live 7 more awesome and cheaper then Logic 8 or i'll kill the kitty.

+ MF ONE (!!!)

Ableton...
The fate of the kitty is in your hands...
look how cute it is...

3dot... · Post by **3dot...** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:49 am

Lives seq is good enough for me...
Between me and you...
you dont NEED any other stuff to make music...

Plus I invested in a 'Reaper' and 'Renoise' licenses
and its gonna be a very nice way of getting back to my roots.....
(I'm realy impressed with the development of these 2 SEQs)!

But for now...
Live IS still my main DAW...I LOVE IT!
Its the Ultimate Tool for me...

Truth be said though... Competition is gettin stiff !!!!!...
Hurry up Ableton... its not nice to keep everybody waiting...

Hypomixolydian · Post by **Hypomixolydian** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:29 pm

I've been stuck on version 5.5.1 of Logic for years due to it being the last version to run on Windows and quite frankly even though some may consider it old in the tooth, which it no doubt is compared to the recent versions, I still prefer it as my DAW of choice. It's the one I go back to every time and the one I feel most familiar with. My final mixes and mastering are always done in Logic.

I am ecstatic now that version 8 also doesn't need a dongle any more. That alone wants me to upgrade and finally give in and buy a Mac. Apple have made a wise decision and I am sure it will be a success for them.

I will though keep using Ableton in conjunction with Logic, but of course that depends on what Logic will be further capable of. I disagree with what Landser has to say on the subject. I am a Logic user, albeit version 5, and I can confidently say that nothing I have used comes close to Logic for quality and features. The synths and plugins are amazing. Even still on version 5.

Logic 8 will probably push the bar up in terms of what the competition have to do to compete. So it could make for some interesting times ahead.

bassreflex · Post by **bassreflex** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:04 pm

Landser wrote:You see a new toy/tool/gear and want it. You forget what you really need and all your thoughts are focused on the new toy/tool/gear that you need now. Advertising creates your needs. Nevertheless you feel as a free human.
My deepest condolences.

Lol... yeah cus im sure the huge media giants with all their propoganda really paid someone to post all these retarded ass LOGIC 8 threads in this forum.

Now.... they are the ones who set in the urge for you to buy everything new and to consume consume consume.... and shit... even make you feel proud about being labeled as a 'consumer'.... but I dont think it has shit to do with his post.

The price is very competative... and considering that the sound engine in Logic is 10000 times better than in ableton.... thats all that really counts at the end of the day.

studiologic · Post by **studiologic** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:07 pm

i love ableton it is my main/only daw.

competition is always good. apple/logic is basically telling their competitors (steinberg, cakewake, ableton, etc) to step up their game or else their are going to corner the market.

live 6 and logic are both $500 but you get tons more with logic (more bang for you buck) therefore one would think ableton sees the writing on the wall.

now, if ableton want to truely be in the daw game they must simply step up their game because apple/logic as of today (9/15/07) are the king.

if you are an ableton fanboy and not looking at this objectivly there is nothing i can say. if you are looking objectively, to charge $500 for live 7 they will have to add a ton to live 7 to compete with apple/logic.

this whole the same for steinberg, cakewalk and the rest of them. just not ableton.

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:11 pm

studiologic wrote: live 6 and logic are both $500 but you get tons more with logic (more bang for you buck) therefore one would think ableton sees the writing on the wall.

in europe live6 [without a multi-sampler or a single synth] is 550 euro
logic pro/studio is 480 euro [including free delivery]

so, live is 70 euro more expensive 'round here

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:11 pm

bassreflex wrote:and considering that the sound engine in Logic is 10000 times times better than in ableton....

Prove it

*Goes to make some popcorn*

studiologic · Post by **studiologic** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:17 pm

b0unce wrote:
studiologic wrote: live 6 and logic are both $500 but you get tons more with logic (more bang for you buck) therefore one would think ableton sees the writing on the wall.
in europe live6 [without a multi-sampler or a single synth] is 550 euro
logic pro/studio is 480 euro [including free delivery]

so, live is 70 euro more expensive 'round here

that is heavy.

common sense would say live 7 is going to be a monster or there will be a cut in price. competition dictates that.

logic being $500 is good for any/all DAW users. that is a fact.

forge · Post by **forge** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:29 pm

3dot... wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:

Make Live 7 more awesome and cheaper then Logic 8 or i'll kill the kitty.

+ MF ONE (!!!)

Ableton...
The fate of the kitty is in your hands...
look how cute it is...

meh..Live 6 is good enough, just kill the kitty

pulsoc · Post by **pulsoc** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:57 pm

I think the problem with comparing Ableton to any other DAW is that, despite its limitations and issues, Live is the only software to really compete in the live/performance side of things. As long as Ableton controls that corner of the market there won't be any real "competition" to force a price war. Some softwares are starting to offer alternatives (EXT, Usine, Phrazor), but all of them have gaping holes, whether it be warping, mp3, etc.

I am really surprised no one has stepped up to that side of things and offered some actual marketable alternatives. I think that is a really open piece of the marketplace still.

Caymus Cab · Post by **Caymus Cab** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:19 pm

Landser wrote: Advertising creates your needs. Nevertheless you feel as a free human.