Andreas
Video extension
Video extension
I would like Live to feature video effects and possibility for making multible layers....for starters. Also I would like to be able to put videoclips in the clip view for live use.
Andreas
Andreas
sorry, my post was sarcastic - and I would rather not like to see Live become a multi-media form of band-in-a-box. If I need VJing there is Arkoas VJ, Apple Motion or Max/MSP-Jitter or lots of others.
I mean, if they had unlimited resources, money and man power - ok, would be interesting to see their approach to it. But I am not sure if a multi-media band-in-a-box will provide the return on investment ....
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I mean, if they had unlimited resources, money and man power - ok, would be interesting to see their approach to it. But I am not sure if a multi-media band-in-a-box will provide the return on investment ....
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oevboev:
Ableton and Cycling 74 are working on a project together which i think will be an audio/visual performance tool. i just hope it's actually released, and that it doesn't take too terribly long.
any news on progress, ABES????
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--you can read the press release in the Ableton website Company section --- announced at the end of March 2007
Ableton and Cycling 74 are working on a project together which i think will be an audio/visual performance tool. i just hope it's actually released, and that it doesn't take too terribly long.
any news on progress, ABES????
peace
--you can read the press release in the Ableton website Company section --- announced at the end of March 2007
Last edited by am is are on Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.
There would be no need of letting it become a "band in a box"-multimedia thing. I don't think Ableton should prioritize video over audio. I just find Ableton Live 6's video part almost completely useless, become of the extreme limits. Hell, you can't even export a movie once you've cut it and synced it to your music. Or use video in the clip view....these and other small extensions would make the video part possible to use for basic stuff. I hope the live up to completing the video part of Live
In the form it is now, they might as well not have put it in there.
In the form it is now, they might as well not have put it in there.
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i don't disagree with you about incorporation of video into live. maybe they feel safer solidifying their stance in the DAW world. i wish they would've pushed to incorporate some flexible video in LIVE--- i designed on paper a GUI and FX interface that was pretty simple and allowed for triggering of clips, crossfading, and the linking of OpenGL fx to audio parameters.
i know at least one other ABE that also really wanted the push toward a LIVE A/V performance tool, but i was happy to see that Ableton would collaborate with Cycling 74 on a project ---- arrgh, but another app i've gotta get?? i'd've rather had an original and integrated system in LIVE -- not any kinda editing tool, but simply a way to dynamically link VIDEO and SOUND so artists can trigger them and tweak them together.
i don't disagree with you about incorporation of video into live. maybe they feel safer solidifying their stance in the DAW world. i wish they would've pushed to incorporate some flexible video in LIVE--- i designed on paper a GUI and FX interface that was pretty simple and allowed for triggering of clips, crossfading, and the linking of OpenGL fx to audio parameters.
i know at least one other ABE that also really wanted the push toward a LIVE A/V performance tool, but i was happy to see that Ableton would collaborate with Cycling 74 on a project ---- arrgh, but another app i've gotta get?? i'd've rather had an original and integrated system in LIVE -- not any kinda editing tool, but simply a way to dynamically link VIDEO and SOUND so artists can trigger them and tweak them together.
Can't even begin to tell you how much i agree. One of the central reasons I bought Live in the first place was that video had been integrated - It's fine that there's another project underway but I am a rather poor student who just can't afford to change applications each month(or half year for that matter)..
In the videos in Live 6 on abletons website I got the impression that, while the video part would not be super complex, it would at least have a possibility to export and also use videos in clip view.
I think Ableton has a responsibility on that issue: to finish what they've started and at least incorporate an export function.
In the videos in Live 6 on abletons website I got the impression that, while the video part would not be super complex, it would at least have a possibility to export and also use videos in clip view.
I think Ableton has a responsibility on that issue: to finish what they've started and at least incorporate an export function.
[quote="oevboev"]There would be no need of letting it become a "band in a box"-multimedia thing. I don't think Ableton should prioritize video over audio. I just find Ableton Live 6's video part almost completely useless, [/quote]
As do I - so it seems - and think it was just a waste of development time. If they had taken the time to put more stuff into Sampler or have a fuller implementation of racks or even of the partly implemented MIDI functionality it would have been better invest IMO.
Of course it does not necessarily turn into a multi-media band-in-a-box - but I think for most companies time, resources and money is limited. Now there are companies that concentrate on the video stuff for year - so will Ableton will get close to that? Maybe, but I somehow doubt that (not that I want to question the expertise and sophistication of the devs over at Ableton, but ....)
I prefer to have sophisticated tools when doing something - more and more parts in Live are just half-baked ... MIDI, racks, Sampler (which is not and then it is a part of Live), video ..... Great ideas, but something is lacking.
I prefer tools that get the thing right .... at least to a specific point. And what really disturbs me more and more about Live is that the workflow is getting scattered - there is no longer a straight and consequent operation through all parts of Live - but in some parts (e.g. Sampler) zoom does not work like in other parts of Live, then in MIDI editor there is no functionality for warping, etc.
I mean if all that was consistent - ok, add video - but it seems a rather long way till there.
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As do I - so it seems - and think it was just a waste of development time. If they had taken the time to put more stuff into Sampler or have a fuller implementation of racks or even of the partly implemented MIDI functionality it would have been better invest IMO.
Of course it does not necessarily turn into a multi-media band-in-a-box - but I think for most companies time, resources and money is limited. Now there are companies that concentrate on the video stuff for year - so will Ableton will get close to that? Maybe, but I somehow doubt that (not that I want to question the expertise and sophistication of the devs over at Ableton, but ....)
I prefer to have sophisticated tools when doing something - more and more parts in Live are just half-baked ... MIDI, racks, Sampler (which is not and then it is a part of Live), video ..... Great ideas, but something is lacking.
I prefer tools that get the thing right .... at least to a specific point. And what really disturbs me more and more about Live is that the workflow is getting scattered - there is no longer a straight and consequent operation through all parts of Live - but in some parts (e.g. Sampler) zoom does not work like in other parts of Live, then in MIDI editor there is no functionality for warping, etc.
I mean if all that was consistent - ok, add video - but it seems a rather long way till there.
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steff
i pretty much agree with you all the way 'round. Racks are good but still lacking in some flexibility and seemed to arrive a little late. Obviously Live's DAW/tracking/production facilities are limited compared to any other full-fledged DAW i can think of.
In Fact, I just bought Logic Studio - for the money, it's a terrific investment, and i'll once again have editing/arrangement features/flexibility that are required for a rich workflow.
i wish Ableton and taken the initiative on the video implementation --once again, they would've been on the forefront of friendly performance app that brought power and innovation to the people in a straightforward way.
at any rate, i'll still be using LIVE, and also in conjunction with Logic (now that it's more than reasonably priced, much easier and quicker to get up and running, and without the annoying dongle)
But LIVE will really have to up the ante with future versions if they want my continued support.
btw- although the video implementation in Live is minimal at best, it does allow for the possibility of live performance in the arrange window with audio/video, as long as your video clips can stand on their own as-is and you you're satisfied with the inability to manipulate them in anyway besides quick re-positioning in the arrange window timeline.
the lack of quicktime rendering/output is absurd, though.
i know LIVE wants a superclean interface, but at some point, they might have to acknowledge that they can't add much more functionality without adding additional controls.
and as far as clean, uncluttered GUI goes, why on earth can't you collapse individual fx modules like you can do with a rack --- i hate scrolling across multiple fx GUI's when maybe in a complex chain, there's only 1 that i need to see
peace
i pretty much agree with you all the way 'round. Racks are good but still lacking in some flexibility and seemed to arrive a little late. Obviously Live's DAW/tracking/production facilities are limited compared to any other full-fledged DAW i can think of.
In Fact, I just bought Logic Studio - for the money, it's a terrific investment, and i'll once again have editing/arrangement features/flexibility that are required for a rich workflow.
i wish Ableton and taken the initiative on the video implementation --once again, they would've been on the forefront of friendly performance app that brought power and innovation to the people in a straightforward way.
at any rate, i'll still be using LIVE, and also in conjunction with Logic (now that it's more than reasonably priced, much easier and quicker to get up and running, and without the annoying dongle)
But LIVE will really have to up the ante with future versions if they want my continued support.
btw- although the video implementation in Live is minimal at best, it does allow for the possibility of live performance in the arrange window with audio/video, as long as your video clips can stand on their own as-is and you you're satisfied with the inability to manipulate them in anyway besides quick re-positioning in the arrange window timeline.
the lack of quicktime rendering/output is absurd, though.
i know LIVE wants a superclean interface, but at some point, they might have to acknowledge that they can't add much more functionality without adding additional controls.
and as far as clean, uncluttered GUI goes, why on earth can't you collapse individual fx modules like you can do with a rack --- i hate scrolling across multiple fx GUI's when maybe in a complex chain, there's only 1 that i need to see
peace
Thanks for your response
[quote="am is are"]btw- although the video implementation in Live is minimal at best, it does allow for the possibility of live performance in the arrange window with audio/video, as long as your video clips can stand on their own as-is and you you're satisfied with the inability to manipulate them in anyway besides quick re-positioning in the arrange window timeline.
the lack of quicktime rendering/output is absurd, though.
peace[/quote]
well, I think the video possibilities are that of a mp3-player - even worse, as those most often have beat-sync. for me and the multi-modal (multi-media) projects I do I want to have frame exact sync between audio and video and for the live video I need to have live control over audio and video.
If they open such a thing everyone comes with their expectations - one needs sound to picture, others VJing, others .... There are rewire VJing solutions - from easy and powerful (Arkaos VJ) to flexible (Max/MSP-Jitter).
Since version 4 Ableton is diffusing their target group - which is not very useful in times when competition gets tough - and there is enough competition. I think Propellerheads has a better policy there - they are doing their stuff without caring about all user requests (MIDI out, plugins, etc.). Of course it does not fit everybody, but they do not diffuse their user base.
With Logic 8 on Mac and apps like Reaper, Project 5 etc. on PC the market is getting smaller. Of course, one starts and used Logic and Live - for how long? And on the other side there is Max/MSP-Jitter (and they also announced quite some changes for the upcoming version 5 that might attract Live users), PD, Numerology, etc.
Personally I think a consistent work-flow and a clear concept is easier to sell than a 'somehow everything someway'-package.
a feature that is not implement in a unique or competitive way seems rather worthless to me (-> MIDI editing in Live - even Logic can it do more Live-like ... and to just record some MIDI there is Garageband for free .....)
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[quote="am is are"]btw- although the video implementation in Live is minimal at best, it does allow for the possibility of live performance in the arrange window with audio/video, as long as your video clips can stand on their own as-is and you you're satisfied with the inability to manipulate them in anyway besides quick re-positioning in the arrange window timeline.
the lack of quicktime rendering/output is absurd, though.
peace[/quote]
well, I think the video possibilities are that of a mp3-player - even worse, as those most often have beat-sync. for me and the multi-modal (multi-media) projects I do I want to have frame exact sync between audio and video and for the live video I need to have live control over audio and video.
If they open such a thing everyone comes with their expectations - one needs sound to picture, others VJing, others .... There are rewire VJing solutions - from easy and powerful (Arkaos VJ) to flexible (Max/MSP-Jitter).
Since version 4 Ableton is diffusing their target group - which is not very useful in times when competition gets tough - and there is enough competition. I think Propellerheads has a better policy there - they are doing their stuff without caring about all user requests (MIDI out, plugins, etc.). Of course it does not fit everybody, but they do not diffuse their user base.
With Logic 8 on Mac and apps like Reaper, Project 5 etc. on PC the market is getting smaller. Of course, one starts and used Logic and Live - for how long? And on the other side there is Max/MSP-Jitter (and they also announced quite some changes for the upcoming version 5 that might attract Live users), PD, Numerology, etc.
Personally I think a consistent work-flow and a clear concept is easier to sell than a 'somehow everything someway'-package.
a feature that is not implement in a unique or competitive way seems rather worthless to me (-> MIDI editing in Live - even Logic can it do more Live-like ... and to just record some MIDI there is Garageband for free .....)
best
Last edited by steff3 on Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.