Novation Remote SL users in here? Let's share knowledge!

Dr.Drane · Post by **Dr.Drane** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:40 am

Aloha!

Do you have a Remote SL?
If so, do the solo buttons of your automapping work in Ableton?

Thanks and greets

Taiis · Post by **Taiis** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:58 am

I have remote sl zero... I love it for concerts... I wish I used it more

Dr.Drane · Post by **Dr.Drane** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:13 am

Taiis wrote:I have remote sl zero... I love it for concerts... I wish I used it more

I have the 25 sl but when I use automapping + ableton + open the template liveset, I get 8 audio channels where I can change the volume with the sliders; I can activate/deactivate the channels button below the slider, but normally the button even more below shoud activate solo, but it doesn't work.

Also I cant get the X/Y touchpad to work for some reason.

You have the same problem or any idea of what the source of the problem might be?

Thanks a whole lot in advance!

peeddrroo · Post by **peeddrroo** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:13 am

i have one
don't use it for automapping so far, but as a regular midi controler.
one trick i have is to use some buttons as "shift" keys.
this way, i can have the same knob control different parameters (for instance the cutoff of different synths or tracks), depending if it is turned while a button is pressed.

the idea is to temporarily change template. for instance, i have 3 templates for my live gig. a main one, and 2 other that i access less.
i found 2 methods to do it:
- the easy one: i map the transport buttons (that's the ones i use as shift keys, sending midi notes) to some midi clips that send program changes to the zeroSL.
- the other one: on a midi track with monitoring set to In, i set the transport buttons to send program changes corresponding to the templae numbers.

if this isn't clear or want more details feel free to ask.

Dr.Drane · Post by **Dr.Drane** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:39 am

peeddrroo wrote:i have one
don't use it for automapping so far, but as a regular midi controler.
one trick i have is to use some buttons as "shift" keys.
this way, i can have the same knob control different parameters (for instance the cutoff of different synths or tracks), depending if it is turned while a button is pressed.

the idea is to temporarily change template. for instance, i have 3 templates for my live gig. a main one, and 2 other that i access less.
i found 2 methods to do it:
- the easy one: i map the transport buttons (that's the ones i use as shift keys, sending midi notes) to some midi clips that send program changes to the zeroSL.
- the other one: on a midi track with monitoring set to In, i set the transport buttons to send program changes corresponding to the templae numbers.

if this isn't clear or want more details feel free to ask.

Why don't you use automapping? That's one of the main reasons I bought the device. You can also edit the automapping if you want custom controls.
It's really that the templates switch automatically when switching between VST(i)'s.

greets

peeddrroo · Post by **peeddrroo** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:07 am

well, i wanted to replace 2 BCR2000 units with a single zeroSL, and as my live set was already quite defined, and i had to set it up quickly, i used what was the easiest for me: traditional mapping.

but you tell me i can edit the automapping? interesting!

so for instance, i could in a single template have
- knob 1 mapped to the freq of an autofilter that's inside a rack on track 1
- knob 2 mapped to the dry/wet of a saturator that would be the 3rd device on track 2 and so on?

how can i do that?

peeddrroo · Post by **peeddrroo** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:55 am

after a quick search on novation's website:

Can edit the Live Automap Template mapping?
The Live Automap template is not designed to be edited however if you want to reassign one or more Automapped controls using Live’s MIDI learn feature then this is possible. Note this cannot be done for the row-select or scroll buttons. All Automap controls transmit data on ReMOTE SL Port 2. If you set a control to transmit on ReMOTE SL Port 1 then Live will ignore it as part of the Automap and you are free to assign it as you wish using the MIDI learn feature.

so i guess that's a "no" to my question

Dr.Drane · Post by **Dr.Drane** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:56 am

peeddrroo wrote:well, i wanted to replace 2 BCR2000 units with a single zeroSL, and as my live set was already quite defined, and i had to set it up quickly, i used what was the easiest for me: traditional mapping.

but you tell me i can edit the automapping? interesting!

so for instance, i could in a single template have
- knob 1 mapped to the freq of an autofilter that's inside a rack on track 1
- knob 2 mapped to the dry/wet of a saturator that would be the 3rd device on track 2 and so on?

how can i do that?

Not exactly, you will have 2 templates which will be automatically selected when you switch between the two VST's. But I guess this could have the same effect more or less.

greets

peeddrroo · Post by **peeddrroo** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:01 am

Dr.Drane wrote: Not exactly, you will have 2 templates which will be automatically selected when you switch between the two VST's. But I guess this could have the same effect more or less.

greets

that could work if i didn't have to click on each device to edit it.

i don't have the time to look for each device i want to tweak when i'm performing. so i guess i'll stick to my solution...

anyway, thanks, and keep the tips coming!

Dr.Drane · Post by **Dr.Drane** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:16 am

peeddrroo wrote:
Dr.Drane wrote: Not exactly, you will have 2 templates which will be automatically selected when you switch between the two VST's. But I guess this could have the same effect more or less.

greets
that could work if i didn't have to click on each device to edit it.

i don't have the time to look for each device i want to tweak when i'm performing. so i guess i'll stick to my solution...

anyway, thanks, and keep the tips coming!

I'm actually quite noob'y with ableton and the remote sl, but I'll do my best to help if I can.

greets

dextroc · Post by **dextroc** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:29 am

I really like using the automap if I'm mixing tracks, because of being able to mix every single track just by flipping to the next page. Very nice if you have more than 8 tracks. But in any other case, the remote sl (i have the sl25 one) is much more useful to me like pedro uses it. I don't really need full control over everything in every instrument/fx/whatever. I usually have some controls already in mind for controlling, and the buttons provided usualy cover them all. If not, there's always the program change tip from pedro, which I didn't realise before, so thanks pedro!

Although you can change between custom templates with the twist of a button, so that's not so hard either. I'm all into custom templates. I use the remote a lot with max/msp too, so it's very useful to have templates with visible cc nrs.

Dr.Drane · Post by **Dr.Drane** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:42 am

dextroc wrote:I really like using the automap if I'm mixing tracks, because of being able to mix every single track just by flipping to the next page. Very nice if you have more than 8 tracks. But in any other case, the remote sl (i have the sl25 one) is much more useful to me like pedro uses it. I don't really need full control over everything in every instrument/fx/whatever. I usually have some controls already in mind for controlling, and the buttons provided usualy cover them all. If not, there's always the program change tip from pedro, which I didn't realise before, so thanks pedro! Although you can change between custom templates with the twist of a button, so that's not so hard either. I'm all into custom templates. I use the remote a lot with max/msp too, so it's very useful to have templates with visible cc nrs.

I also have the 25sl.
So you also have the live1 and live2 template installed? Does the "solo" buttons mapping work? (second button below the sliders; first button below is to activate/deactivate the channel)

Thanks and greets

Jaan · Post by **Jaan** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:30 am

You can create your own templates, which will not be the same as Automapped templates.

GUY SMILEY · Post by **GUY SMILEY** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:10 pm

Here's my input.
I have tweaked the 'plugin automap' template (number 37 I think) for each of my soft synths and favourite plugins.
I then saved these to templates 1 - 20. so if I call up my Oddity, the SL automatically calls up the custom template I created (I always assign envelopes to the sliders, toggle switches to toggle switches etc) its still classed as an 'automap' template - in other words when you access the template without the synth open its totally blank, but the layout is determined by me.
These were a piece of piss to set u.
I've also set up a couple of old fashioned midi control templates using cc's to control my Sequential Circuits six trak and elements of the JD990 (only certain parameters are assignable to midi the rest are sysex with that synth)
Finally left template 40 as it is so that my Ableton faders are assigned to the faders record button to record button etc.
I'm disappointed that they haven't released a revised template for Ableton as when you open a non 'auto-mapped' plugin it only allows for tweaking using the top left bank of dials (making all of the other s redundant)
Overall though its completely changed the way I make music, and off the back of its functionality I went out and bought a load more soft synths.
Would definitely like the option to edit the 'ableton template' though so I could assign control to moving around the Ableton window using teh Remote SL, which just isn't possible unless you lose the automap functionality - which I don't want to sacrifice.
One final thing is that I keep 'losing' the modulation wheel.. anyone else have this problem ? please help !!

4.33 · Post by **4.33** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:17 pm

i don't really get it
you cant reprogram row selects on the template 40 (see above) - but other than that you can tweak the template as you wish and it'll still be automapped.

in my case, i've reprogrammed sliders to send a value of 108 at their max, so that they do not exeed 0dB threshold in the mixer

i saved it to template 40

SL still recalls the template when Live is started, and sliders settings are recalled correctly

maybe i'm just missing the point here...