Need to record 2x bars of a loop to make loop right

[Pasha]

I'm facing a strange thing here.
I got a piano chords variation that I recorded succesfully with MIDI and plays on my external module (I've quantized at 1/16th note) the clip is 10 bars long.
When I record the sound in a clip in session view if I record only the first 10 bars, set length at 10 bars the clip starts with a delay the 2nd time it loops and gets out of sync. However, If I record twice the clip length (20 bars) and start looping from the second half of the take, everything plays right. I can even crop the sample and the loop still plays along with tempo.
This is happenning with 6.0.10. Is this normal?
I've never noticed it before.....Anyone?

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- Pasha

[Pasha]

I guess I'm the only one....

DEPRESSION.

[joewes]

on my external module

In order to hunt down the problem without the same equipment that you have: does the problem exist even with internal instruments like Simpler?

record the sound

Are you actually referring to recording audio?

This is happenning with 6.0.10.

Thank god I was to lazy to update from 6.0.7.

Jörg

[laird]

Maybe this is a bug...

but what you describe is also consistant with the possibility that you set your sample start/end markers incorrectly inthe first instance, and correctly in the second instance.

Is your grid set to 1/16th note? Are you sure the loop lengths are
10.0.0 and 20.0.0
not
10.0.1 and 20.0.0 ?

And in both cases, the sample start marker is set correctly?

[Pasha]

Thanks for help!
Reply to all below

My start and end point are correct as you suggested to check. Good to have the idea to eliminate that doubt.
I record audio through a FW interface that in turn has its inputs connected to a mixer that hosts the outputs of my external midi modules.
When MIDI recording I quantize 1/16th note. I can almost say that this happens only with that quantize setting. I have noticed that when freezing a track (let's say a simpler track) Live creates a clip that is twice as long as the original material....

I hope my answers were helpful.....

I'll try with simpler and I'll let you know.

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- Pasha

[joewes]

I have noticed that when freezing a track (let's say a simpler track) Live creates a clip that is twice as long

I don't think that has anything to do with your problem. When freezing, Live has to produce a file (not a clip actually) that is twice as long in order to treat tails right, if any: Let's assume you have a synthesizer sound with a long release. If you play an unfreezed clip of that sound in a loop it starts with the attack of the first note. The second pass starts with a mix of the tail from the first pass and the attack of the first note. A freezed track must sound the same, so the resulting audio file has to contain both information: the first 'dry' pass and the following one with the mixed in tail.

Jörg

[laird]

Well, that's how "Render As Loop" works...

I never noticed Freeze doing that before.... but I never looked either.
Still, that would surprise me.

What I wouldn't be surprised by:

My song is 20 bars long. I have a 10 bar clip. I freeze the track with that clip, and now I have a 20-bar long audio file.

[Pasha]

I have noticed that when freezing a track (let's say a simpler track) Live creates a clip that is twice as long

I don't think that has anything to do with your problem. When freezing, Live has to produce a file (not a clip actually) that is twice as long in order to treat tails right, if any: Let's assume you have a synthesizer sound with a long release. If you play an unfreezed clip of that sound in a loop it starts with the attack of the first note. The second pass starts with a mix of the tail from the first pass and the attack of the first note. A freezed track must sound the same, so the resulting audio file has to contain both information: the first 'dry' pass and the following one with the mixed in tail.

Jörg

Got it.

Thank you.

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- Pasha