Radiohead...

stonee · Post by **stonee** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:42 am

radio head took a big ol poopie on the music industry with this one

Oscar F · Post by **Oscar F** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:58 am

kramerica wrote:People think my name has something to do w/ Captain America. It's actually a Seinfeld reference from the character "Kramer" whom I share the same last name. I don't expect non-Americans to get it though (unsure of Seinfeld's cultural reach).

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People think my real name is Oscar and oddly enough it is !!!!!!

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:03 am

sparklepuff wrote:For all the uneducated fools out there:

machinate |ˈmakəˌnāt; ˈma sh ə-| verb [ intrans. ] engage in plots and intrigues; scheme.

Exactly. Teach, brutha, Teach!!

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:10 am

To get back on topic... I think it's awesome. I really do. Radiohead are frontrunners once again.

freshdrumma · Post by **freshdrumma** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:10 am

I think that the vinyl and cd pack with free download it`s a good idea, i`m going to buy it, but i`m very angry with that mp3 policy,
well a lot of people will download it for free somewhere after a minute, but if even the artist take down the value of his music from start, who is going to pay for music anymore?
some fans will be like: o great, a new radiohead for 50 cents, that`s awesome, they are great!" but i doubt that most people will trow a cent at it.

i hope to be wrong

pay for your music! you`ll take a bit more care of it

The Italian idealist

cavern · Post by **cavern** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:12 am

the perks of not being on a record label

fatrabbit · Post by **fatrabbit** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:55 am

It would be amazing if an unknown (who couldn't afford it) artist became well-known using this method.

pulsoc · Post by **pulsoc** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:20 pm

It's cool of them, but they are at a point in their career where they could sell their feces for millions. I'd like to see them take this to the next step and really fuck with the record industry by starting a label and using this as their sales strategy for new bands.

somarefill · Post by **somarefill** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:04 pm

LOL! True.

I got bored with them after awhile, and i know a few cats who got a little pissed off when some big "pop" magazine called radio head -

"the best electronic music band ever"

Please! give me a fucking break!

Just because they use "electronics" does not mean they "are" the best electronic band ever.

I like the music somewhat, (radiohead) but i doubt they would even agree with that bold of a statement.

I think it's really about being innovative. And really at the core of the music & sound design, they have not done nothing thats so radical I would consider it innovation.

People will always disagree on a subject like this. It's art at it's best.

I cast a vote for Klaus Schultze, Danny Hyde & Phil Western.

substance_g · Post by **substance_g** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:51 pm

somarefill wrote:... And really at the core of the music & sound design, they have not done nothing thats so radical I would consider it innovation.

Yes, some people like their music, some people don't, but what about them giving away their new album as free download? Regardless of people's taste, I think it's an interesting move, I wonder if it will have any effect on other bands/labels? And I can't really see any downside to it...

The only factor where it may matter that it's Radiohead doing this (as opposed to an unknown/unsigned/starving band) is that they have lots of money and can afford to do it without wondering who's going to pay for next month's rent. And, again, as far as I can see, that fact makes little difference as it does not preclude me from spending money on the unknown/unsigned/starving band, in fact, I have more money to spend on them now...

somarefill · Post by **somarefill** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:15 pm

quote from Telegraph.co.uk.

"""None of the things Radiohead are doing with this is unique. All of them have been developed and used by other artists for quite some time. But this is Radiohead. When one of the world's biggest bands does something like this, it will get noticed and it will start people thinking."""

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology ... iohead.htm

Personally I think its all marketing. I honestly do not believe that they are "free agents"

I think the record industry has been losing cash for so long, that this is a new financial model for them to explore.

I'm not saying its a conspiracy by the industry. But they have been looking for a long tiume for an answer to pirating.

Cheap or not. I think they are going to be making money somewhere.

Nothing is free. Ever. Allot of people will be making a ton of money out of this move for certain.

substance_g · Post by **substance_g** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:05 pm

somarefill wrote:... Allot of people will be making a ton of money out of this move for certain.

Which people? And how will they make a ton of money?

Thanks for the excellent Telegraph link - very interesting analysis.

kramerica · Post by **kramerica** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:24 pm

substance_g wrote:
somarefill wrote:... Allot of people will be making a ton of money out of this move for certain.
Which people? And how will they make a ton of money?

I hope a lot of people make tons of money off this. They worked hard for it, consumers got what they want, everyone is happy.

(they make the $$$ on tour, like Prince did)

somarefill · Post by **somarefill** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:55 am

substance_g - honestly, I don't know who is going to be making the moneys off of such a move. I'm a novice at business (at best).

If other "mainstream" bands or the "super labels" were to follow, I belive that they are trying to reestablish a permanent connection with a customer base they have long since lost touch with.

If people choose to pay just the minimum amount, that amount could actually be the profit and not the card fee.
Credit card companys could use bulk contracts if a major label were to want to make such a deal. (and pay for it)

Although, I believe at a initial financial loss to the labels.

So, who would make the money? I think the same people who have been losing money because piracy has become such a common issue.

I'm not certain that others will follow, I think allot is changing though,
(even without the Radiohead announcement).

Countless money has been lost and even more has been spent attempting to develop technologys to dissuade or significantly distrupt the distribution of copyrighted materials. Not to mention legal fee's!

It should be interesting to see what happens from here on out, its very uncharted consumer, legal & technological territory.

Darwinist · Post by **Darwinist** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:04 am

In the future, all recorded music will be free, or donationware. This is an unavoidable result of technological advancement. Trying to prop up the "record" industry(as opposed to the music industry in general) is an exercise in futility akin to trying to keep horse carriage makers in buisness after Henry Ford dropped the automobile bomb, or candlemakers after Edison. Both industries still exist in a sense, but they are greatly, greatly diminished. Same will happen to the selling of recorded music.

I did a lecture in macro-economics class last year where I theorized that recorded music had actually shifted in nature over the last 10 years or so, from a private good to a public good(if you don´t know what these terms mean, look them up on wiki) - and thus it was futile to try to charge people for their direct use....

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