Intel Quad Core, 2 g ram, silent box, but disks?
My mate wants me to go for 10.000rpm, hes got one, and its flying... but my other mate says 7.200rpm is enough. Going for most bang for the buck and low noise, I cant justify the price difference AND the much added noise with 10.000rpm if I dont realy need it. Do I? And what about 7.200s in raid compared to a 10.000? cost, speed, noise etc.
We work with 24 bit 44.1 khz stereo tracks, and there could be as much as 30 tracks or even more going on at the same time in a project.
Building new PC DAW.. 10.000rpm disks?
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somarefill
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We have been using a 7200 SATA drives.
It is great. We have never felt the need for a faster drive.
You really should not have a problem with that track count and a 7200 drive.
I am sure others will say to get the faster one, but if cost and noise are an issue, get the 7200.
I also cant say how much more noise the faster one would emit. Maybe someone else can comment on that. But is will run hotter, so more noise makes more sense.
Try looking at digidesigns recommended specs. Even though we dont run ProTools often, we always look to see what systems they recommend. And we have learned allot just from doing that.
Good luck to your future drive endeavors!
It is great. We have never felt the need for a faster drive.
You really should not have a problem with that track count and a 7200 drive.
I am sure others will say to get the faster one, but if cost and noise are an issue, get the 7200.
I also cant say how much more noise the faster one would emit. Maybe someone else can comment on that. But is will run hotter, so more noise makes more sense.
Try looking at digidesigns recommended specs. Even though we dont run ProTools often, we always look to see what systems they recommend. And we have learned allot just from doing that.
Good luck to your future drive endeavors!
10,000RPM drives are about seek time, not streaming, so getting one for audio recording isn't important. For that, you want maximum throughput, and some of the newer 7200RPM drives outperform the 10K drives in that regard (10K drive technology is actually getting a bit dated, and still SATA150 even).
However, I used a 10,000RPM Raptor for samples for a couple of years. For samples, RAM-loaded ones anyway, I prefer the SLIGHTLY noticeable improvement is seek time, which comes in to play when cycling through a big library looking for a starting point. It wasn't a huge performance boost, but it was noticeable with Logic Pro's EXS24 multisample load times (mind you, it was only slight, I was just particularly... umm, particular at the time).
I had to quit using that drive about a year ago, when my sample library ballooned rather quickly. I only had the 37GB version. To fit current sample libraries on a Raptor these days requires at least the 74GB model, preferably the 150GB model, and frankly I wouldn't spend the money on it. For the same price as a 150GB Raptor, you can literally get a 750GB SATA300 drive, perhaps a 1TB drive on sale.
No contest, they don't make sense anymore (for me anyway), for DAW use. Perhaps as a gamer looking for the ultimate in quickness, where throughput isn't so much of an issue, I'd feel differently.
One thing I'll say about the Raptors I've been around: they've all lasted. I've had mine 3+ years, and it's still going strong. Now, it's my Vista boot disk. Kind of unfortunate, since I basically never boot into Vista anymore, but that's a different story.
Get a couple of big 7200's, and don't worry about it. It's not worth it right now, really.
Take care,
- zevo
However, I used a 10,000RPM Raptor for samples for a couple of years. For samples, RAM-loaded ones anyway, I prefer the SLIGHTLY noticeable improvement is seek time, which comes in to play when cycling through a big library looking for a starting point. It wasn't a huge performance boost, but it was noticeable with Logic Pro's EXS24 multisample load times (mind you, it was only slight, I was just particularly... umm, particular at the time).
I had to quit using that drive about a year ago, when my sample library ballooned rather quickly. I only had the 37GB version. To fit current sample libraries on a Raptor these days requires at least the 74GB model, preferably the 150GB model, and frankly I wouldn't spend the money on it. For the same price as a 150GB Raptor, you can literally get a 750GB SATA300 drive, perhaps a 1TB drive on sale.
No contest, they don't make sense anymore (for me anyway), for DAW use. Perhaps as a gamer looking for the ultimate in quickness, where throughput isn't so much of an issue, I'd feel differently.
One thing I'll say about the Raptors I've been around: they've all lasted. I've had mine 3+ years, and it's still going strong. Now, it's my Vista boot disk. Kind of unfortunate, since I basically never boot into Vista anymore, but that's a different story.
Get a couple of big 7200's, and don't worry about it. It's not worth it right now, really.
Take care,
- zevo
Last edited by inmazevo on Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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yup, thats a quote alright.inmazevo wrote:inmazevo wrote:10,000RPM drives are about seek time, not streaming, so getting one for audio recording isn't important. For that, you want maximum throughput, and some of the newer 7200RPM drives outperform the 10K drives in that regard (10K drive technology is actually getting a bit dated, and still SATA150 even).
However, I used a 10,000RPM Raptor for samples for a couple of years. For samples, RAM-loaded ones anyway, I prefer the SLIGHTLY noticeable improvement is seek time, which comes in to play when cycling through a big library looking for a starting point. It wasn't a huge performance boost, but it was noticeable with Logic Pro's EXS24 multisample load times (mind you, it was only slight, I was just particularly... umm, particular at the time).
I had to quit using that drive about a year ago, when my sample library ballooned rather quickly. I only had the 37GB version. To fit current sample libraries on a Raptor these days requires at least the 74GB model, preferably the 150GB model, and frankly I wouldn't spend the money on it. For the same price as a 150GB Raptor, you can literally get a 750GB SATA300 drive, perhaps a 1TB drive on sale.
No contest, they don't make sense anymore (for me anyway), for DAW use. Perhaps as a gamer looking for the ultimate in quickness, where throughput isn't so much of an issue, I'd feel differently.
One thing I'll say about the Raptors I've been around: they've all lasted. I've had mine 3+ years, and it's still going strong. Now, it's my Vista boot disk. Kind of unfortunate, since I basically never boot into Vista anymore, but that's a different story.
Get a couple of big 7200's, and don't worry about it. It's not worth it right now, really.
Take care,
- zevo
I used to run a Raid 0, now i run a Raptor X (newest in the raptor series)
My 5 cents, derived from first hand experience and reviews/benchmarks:
The Raptor X is the best HD there is right now, when it comes to performance. Read any review out ther, it will tell you this
more than any other drive i have owned. Besides, it wouldnt matter a lot
as any audio DAW should have an external sound card.
runs faster, everything runs faster.
A quick google on "Raptor X review" gives some good readings:
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/02/06/ ... age14.html
http://www.hothardware.com/articles/Wes ... er/?page=7
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My personal conclusion is this: I you want the best setup there is, get the Raptor X disk. If you wanna go with two 7200 in RAID, get two Raptors X in RAID instead. If price is an issue, you will have good performance with 7200 disks as well, but just not the very best Raptors are for those who want the best no matter what..
My 5 cents, derived from first hand experience and reviews/benchmarks:
The Raptor X is the best HD there is right now, when it comes to performance. Read any review out ther, it will tell you this
Where did you hear this? My drive doenst make a lot of noise at all. NotKirb:
From what I've read and heard, a lot of the 10,000 rpm drives have enough increased noise and reliability issues that they're not worth the increase in performance.
more than any other drive i have owned. Besides, it wouldnt matter a lot
as any audio DAW should have an external sound card.
Disagree. Its about read and write, and overall performance. When the OSinmazevo
10,000RPM drives are about seek time, not streaming, so getting one for audio recording isn't important.
runs faster, everything runs faster.
A quick google on "Raptor X review" gives some good readings:
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/02/06/ ... age14.html
http://www.hothardware.com/articles/Wes ... er/?page=7
..
My personal conclusion is this: I you want the best setup there is, get the Raptor X disk. If you wanna go with two 7200 in RAID, get two Raptors X in RAID instead. If price is an issue, you will have good performance with 7200 disks as well, but just not the very best
Raptors are for those who want the best no matter what..The difference in speed seems microscopic compared to the new 7200disks. And noise is a concern for me, ass well as a tight budget, so im leaning towards the 7200. Also the biggest 10.000 is only 150 gb. I know you are thinking "its only for running the system" But I need more then that! Looking at a 500gb disk, its cheap, silent, and fast. Its also 1/2 the price of the 10.000!
Fan and spinning noise is what were talking about, not soundcard noise. And it matters a lot to me! So ill be using a box that has super silent fans, and that holds the disks hanging on rubber!mais wrote: Where did you hear this? My drive doenst make a lot of noise at all. Not
more than any other drive i have owned. Besides, it wouldnt matter a lot
as any audio DAW should have an external sound card.
The thing is the seek time. For sample data, don't run with the fastest rpm disks, its not needed. For the OS and programs, where the data is picked from various locations, the seek time has to be fast.
Personally i have a WD Raptor x 150gb, and its noiseless and had no issues so far. I put all the sample data and such on my other 7200 rpm disks, (also WD).
So all in all my little advice: get one for the OS and your software, and then use others for the audio data.
Personally i have a WD Raptor x 150gb, and its noiseless and had no issues so far. I put all the sample data and such on my other 7200 rpm disks, (also WD).
So all in all my little advice: get one for the OS and your software, and then use others for the audio data.
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adventurepants_
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the internal bus is still much faster than USB or Firewire. if youre having noise interference problems with an internal card, that is a shielding issue.mais wrote:
Where did you hear this? My drive doenst make a lot of noise at all. Not
more than any other drive i have owned. Besides, it wouldnt matter a lot
as any audio DAW should have an external sound card.
Really the benefits of 10k drives are marginal for the vast majority of users and hobbyists, for the extra expense and noise.
this is more about pc geeking than audio.
not saying thats a bad thing! :p
