Live 7 announced!

BDSS · Post by **BDSS** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:41 pm

3dot... wrote:
mercyplease wrote:
andydes wrote: Not sure what kind of difference 64 bit audio will make (except make freeze files fecking massive), but hat least it should stop people worrying about the quality and let them concentrate on their music.

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It will make zero difference to audio quality its just another PR sales tact that all daw manufacturers are using. When i see posts from users hailing the greatness of the new 64bit whatever its hilarious because they wouldnt be able to tell the difference between an mp3 and a 24 bit wav file. Seriously NO ONE using any daw can say or has said (except for idiots with no clue) my daw sounds better with the new thingy thing 64bit.
This feature is spin and PR nothing more
There was never anything wrong with lives audio quality period. Noobs got confused with warping audio and then came on to the forum demanding 64bit because their audio doesnt sound good And despite the hundreds of requests from veteran users for safe/group solos for a number of years ableton decided that appealing to noobs under the age of 20 and being able to put 64BIT on the box is much more important than something that is musically (when mixing) a must have. Hey I worked in advertising for years so I know the score
I agree that lives audio quality was good enough...
But Robert himself said it was far from perfect...
and live was never widely perceived for the BEAST that it is...
so yeah ...theres PR involved...
but you're wrong...
people who cant tell the difference between 24bit wavs and 16bit mp3s soundwise...(providing they have the same recorded material)....
Shouldn't be in the business of mixing audio.period.

Actually, MP3s do not have a specific bit depth - it depends entirely on how you tell the decoder to out put the sound.
Anyway, the 64 bit depth is not beneficial for playback, but when you are processing audio you are best to have the highest resolution as possible (although I tend to agree that 32bit is probably more than enough). I also assume that with this new feature, the audio engine has under gone a much needed overhaul - hopefully I won't get any more funk rendering errors now.

plexiglass · Post by **plexiglass** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:45 pm

from ableton live 7 - what's new page:

Many Other Important Improvements. Live, Operator and Sampler have received many important improvements and additions based on users' requests.

does it mean that i need to upgrade also operator and sampler when upgrading to live 7 from live 6 to get the improvements of operator and sampler instruments?

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:47 pm

plexiglass wrote:from ableton live 7 - what's new page:
Many Other Important Improvements. Live, Operator and Sampler have received many important improvements and additions based on users' requests.
does it mean that i need to upgrade also operator and sampler when upgrading to live 7 from live 6 to get the improvements of operator and sampler instruments?

That's automatic - since Operator and Sampler are an intrinsic part of the software.

forge · Post by **forge** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:49 pm

plexiglass wrote:from ableton live 7 - what's new page:
Many Other Important Improvements. Live, Operator and Sampler have received many important improvements and additions based on users' requests.
does it mean that i need to upgrade also operator and sampler when upgrading to live 7 from live 6 to get the improvements of operator and sampler instruments?

no

andydes · Post by **andydes** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:08 pm

Well it certainly seems that most of the development work would have gone into the new audio engine. But it seems there's been loads of little improvements across the board, including a fair few of the most requested ones. Better handling of hardware instruments and effects, sidechaining, more flexible racks, time sig changes, multiple automation lanes. So it seems they've been listening to veteran users and not completely going for marketing features.

However to survive as a company, they have to put in features that will attract new users. Even the one who don't know what they're talking about. It's a sacrifice I'm happy for them to make, even if I was hoping for more improvements to the core usability.

Someone quoted them saying they wanted to put in group tracks, but didn't have time for this upgrade. Live 8, then.

Poster · Post by **Poster** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:20 pm

andydes wrote:However to survive as a company, they have to put in features that will attract new users.

i'm very positive the Slice>Drum rack will attract loads of new users.

I predict lots of:

FS: Battery, always used in a smokers free studio..
technically in great condition, has some minor surface wear..
Buy now and i throw in Phatmatik for free..

leedsquietman · Post by **leedsquietman** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:26 pm

For those non DJs among us, the upgrades are MASSIVE.

I had to turn to Cubase 3 times recently because Live could not handle automated time signature changes and many have requested it. Better audio, better MIDI - awesome what's to complain about there ! Export of video files, great, new drum rack, superb, and sidechaining, something about 80% of people on this forum have been asking about for years. Multiple automation lanes are now viewable, awesome, that was a pain in the a$$ before. Tempo nudge for DJs is something they've been asking for for ages too.

Good work Ableton !

substance_g · Post by **substance_g** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:31 pm

So far the EUR99 upgrade is worth it for me for the tempo nudge, multiple automation lanes and the slicer/drum rack, and I haven't even started playing with anything else yet!

andydes · Post by **andydes** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:37 pm

Agreed. I think it's a good upgrade for the basic product.

Surprisingly though, I'm most excited about the add on content. Mainly because I never bothered before, the upgrade to Live 7 suite is now looking pretty decent. Loads of new stuff to play with.

radib · Post by **radib** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:52 pm

a step further from quality product to kids huge playkit. and 64bit mixing engine doesn´t matter at all when there ain´t good accent coming by the algorithms. the business has made them lose focus. very usual.

it´s over now baby blue.

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:56 pm

yes bad accent is a real problem

troll

Igor L · Post by **Igor L** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:08 pm

mercyplease wrote:And despite the hundreds of requests from veteran users for safe/group solos for a number of years ableton decided that appealing to noobs under the age of 20 and being able to put 64BIT on the box is much more important than something that is musically (when mixing) a must have. Hey I worked in advertsing for years so I know the score

I have to vehemently disagree with you on this. I think that this perceived lack of quality in Live's audio engine was beginning to damage Live's reputation as a serious daw. I mean I read a review in a magazine by a well-known writer that brought up this very topic. How long should Ableton have allowed this to perpetuate? I think they absolutely had to do something about it, and if you're a user who wants to see this program survive and continue growing then you should be supportive of this move.

snakedogman · Post by **snakedogman** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:09 pm

dare I ask....

Wacom support?

Folder tracks?

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:11 pm

mercyplease wrote:And despite the hundreds of requests from veteran users for safe/group solos for a number of years ableton decided that appealing to noobs under the age of 20 and being able to put 64BIT on the box is much more important than something that is musically (when mixing) a must have. Hey I worked in advertsing for years so I know the score

L7 has safe/group solo.

I've said this a number of times

solo a group, you will hear everything routed to that group and the effect.
solo a track, you will hear the effect returns also.
solo just the effect returns, you will hear the effects on the returns.

best to actually check before you criticise.

Igor L · Post by **Igor L** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:16 pm

leedsquietman wrote:For those non DJs among us, the upgrades are MASSIVE.

I had to turn to Cubase 3 times recently because Live could not handle automated time signature changes and many have requested it. Better audio, better MIDI - awesome what's to complain about there ! Export of video files, great, new drum rack, superb, and sidechaining, something about 80% of people on this forum have been asking about for years. Multiple automation lanes are now viewable, awesome, that was a pain in the a$$ before. Tempo nudge for DJs is something they've been asking for for ages too.

Good work Ableton !

I agree, massive is right. The DrumRack alone is worth the upgrade...possibly the best solution for drums out there right now. Upgrading to the Suite means that you're getting three AAS instruments (incl. a cutdown Lounge Lizard!) for about $100 a piece. This is not even considering the super-quality drummachine kits from PureMagnetik! Sweet deal.