is Analog phat? u decide.. (lil audio sample)

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 9:57 pm

nebulae wrote:
Machinate wrote:here's a quick test I did when bored. synths are Analog (bass and main arp), then there's a sliced break, a drum rack full of samples and an Operator drop kick.
- and yes, I was on a 90s nostalgia trip... what can I say, I'm a sucker for early Chemical Bros.
http://covops.dreamhosters.com/dropbox/ ... render.mp3
Note to noobs...this is what he does when he's BORED....

I'm going to shoot myself now.

no fucking shit, I'm so goddamn depressed now...

Mach - I'm glad you're posting more often.

ernene · Post by **ernene** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:09 pm

ok, I do not need those plugs since I have the AAS modeling collection bundle... but I just want to know if thos plugs sounds exactly the same as AAS's do or you feel they're easier to program.. or what???? Hope someone who have AAS and is testing L7 can tell me something... I'm too curious

Anyway... I can't understand why people want Live to become in 1 day Logic/cubase/digitalperformer/protools/whatever just to what? make better music?? naaaaa.... People already have too much, that's why they want always more....

Be happy with what you have

If you like L7, well buy it (I will) if you dont... your choice....

By the way, sweetjesus... loved that sound mate!

Thanks, cheers to all.

G.

rat · Post by **rat** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:13 pm

can someone explain what a virtual analog synth means? i'm guessing operator is NOT?

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:20 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_analog
software DSP of above.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:23 pm

thefool wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_analog
software DSP of above.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fm_synth

operator - fm synth
analog - analog synth (virtual because computers don't use true analog signals.)

read up a bit

Homebelly · Post by **Homebelly** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:29 pm

Tone Deft wrote:
nebulae wrote:
Machinate wrote:here's a quick test I did when bored. synths are Analog (bass and main arp), then there's a sliced break, a drum rack full of samples and an Operator drop kick.
- and yes, I was on a 90s nostalgia trip... what can I say, I'm a sucker for early Chemical Bros.
http://covops.dreamhosters.com/dropbox/ ... render.mp3
Note to noobs...this is what he does when he's BORED....

I'm going to shoot myself now.
no fucking shit, I'm so goddamn depressed now...

Mach - I'm glad you're posting more often.

yeah well,, just so you know,,
If i wasn't confined to this wheel chair and stuck inside this god damn iron lung 24/7,, still had complete use of my hands and feet and could over come my impaired cognitive senses disabilities,,,
I COULD KICK HISS ASS,,,

Hell Yeah!!!

Gimmi a HOORAHH!!!

thehuman · Post by **thehuman** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:30 pm

Tarekith wrote:
sweetjesus wrote:
What aspects of BAttery do you feel you could see in Drum Racks.
- convo reverb
- humanize functions
- velocity layering
- resizeable drum grid
- lots of crashes

Yeah. And color-coded cells. Makes finding your way through a large kit easy. Plus, just a generally nicely-planned GUI. The workflow of building a kit in Battery is just wonderful, at least for my tastes. Also, Battery has proven incredibly stable for me. A lot of peeps do have issues with it, but it's fine for me.

I should note, though, that I am not a beta-tester, so this is coming from someone who has yet to actually USE drum racks.

rat · Post by **rat** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:55 pm

i read up the info tonedeft, but its just words on a page to me. so i tried out the demo, and compared it to some patches on operator from covert operators and pure magnetik, and to tell the truth, i cant hear the difference really between what is considered virtual analog and fm. i know what the different potential is for operator, but when comparing lead patches from the two, i dont think there is so much more to the aas virtual analog .
maybe im wrong because i havent had much time to play with it.
i wonder if i upgraded to the suite, if ableton will let me sell the virtual analog plugin seperately

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:02 pm

OK, I'll take some time...

the key is that FM is "oscillators oscillating oscillators", analog is not.

look at Analog
it's 2 oscillators that run through a filter, an amplitude section and out the master. you can mix the chains together a bit, send OSC1 to OSC2's filter and whatnot but the oscillators stay relatively pure.

look at Operator, check the routing section.
now you see that you can make OSC A oscillate OSC B and OSC C etc. what you have is Frequency Modulation, the same science behind FM radios, one signal gets modulated by another.

the term 'virtual' for analog started because analog synths used to be ANALOG, there was an analog circuit that spit out an analog sine wave (or triangle or square), old school stuff that would drift with temperature and whatnot. then synth makers started making analog synths with 1s and 0s, this was good because they wouldn't drift and stuff but a close look at the outputted oscillator showed it was no longer a purely analog signal, it had little steps to it. I assume you know where I'm coming from, how digital signals look like steps, they're quantized.

the sounds of FM vs. analog are different styles, read those wiki pages for ideas on which synths had which sound. those are the two main kinds of synths, then there's wavetable synths and I'm probably forgetting a type or two but those are the main ones.

hth.

rat · Post by **rat** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:08 pm

respect tonedeft. that was really helpful explanation. i will definetly look into playing more with analog (or aas va demo until then).
i got a feeling i am going for the suite update after playing with string studio and loungelizard....

ethios4 · Post by **ethios4** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:13 pm

nebulae wrote:I think Analog is nice for someone who doesn't have a top class virtual analog. However, I don't think it's as good as Sylenth1 by any stretch. Now the integration with Live is a big selling point, but if I had to pick between the two, Sylenth1 for sure. My two cents.

Good to know. I was initially really excited about the new instruments, but that is fading. With the money saved by not getting those, I could get a Tampax padKontrol for the sweetazz drum rack!

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:28 pm

ethios4 wrote:I could get a Tampax

....

kiwipicker · Post by **kiwipicker** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:29 pm

why not just make an operator rack using two operators? then you could turn off oscillators B,C,D on both instances, and youd have two independent oscillators (one can be sine, one square or whatever you want)
if you want one filter for both, just add a filter device to the end of the chain, and if you want the filters seperated, just use the seperate filters in each operator.

kramerica · Post by **kramerica** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:34 pm

Tone Deft wrote:
nebulae wrote:
Machinate wrote:here's a quick test I did when bored. synths are Analog (bass and main arp), then there's a sliced break, a drum rack full of samples and an Operator drop kick.
- and yes, I was on a 90s nostalgia trip... what can I say, I'm a sucker for early Chemical Bros.
http://covops.dreamhosters.com/dropbox/ ... render.mp3
Note to noobs...this is what he does when he's BORED....

I'm going to shoot myself now.
no fucking shit, I'm so goddamn depressed now...

Mach - I'm glad you're posting more often.

Machinate, I hate you.

Did you create and arrange that in one night or something?

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:35 pm

kramerica wrote:
Tone Deft wrote:
nebulae wrote: Note to noobs...this is what he does when he's BORED....

I'm going to shoot myself now.
no fucking shit, I'm so goddamn depressed now...

Mach - I'm glad you're posting more often.
Machinate, I hate you.

Did you create and arrange that in one night or something?

he made a rack that auto-generates big beat, tarnce and polkas.