Nobody's arguing that the price isn't OK, just that the extras are too expensive, and the update isn't offering them what they want.Tone Deft wrote:it's $120 to update, how cheap ARE you people?
true. I think people got sticker shock seeing the web page with prices already summed up. it might make better business sense to NOT tell people their total, let them buy the basic $120 upgrade, then add electric, operator and a sound pack or two. the extras themselves seem to cost about the same as their non-Ableton counterparts.Machinesworking wrote:Nobody's arguing that the price isn't OK, just that the extras are too expensive, and the update isn't offering them what they want.Tone Deft wrote:it's $120 to update, how cheap ARE you people?
I agree though, headquest summed up my feelings on the subject.
My only difference is I do use other DAWs as well as Live, though I would prefer to work only in Live.
I agree, it's a perceived lack of focus, whether or no it has merit is not for me or any of us to know, that might be answered later after Ableton are bought by Microsoft or something!OvertoneZero wrote:I would much prefer to spend my $$$ on a streamlined but extremely well-designed music creation program that does everything I want it to featurewise rather than see Ableton trying to become another 'bundled package' vendor. I already have plenty of plug-in synths, effects, etc.
If Ableton wants to do both and offer the option, do it, but keep your priorities straight and don't start adding more synths and stuff like that until all of the important sequencer features are nailed down..
I feel you, man. This deluge of bitchy/whiney/cunty complaints on this forum is starting to get old.leedsquietman wrote:Apologies for the rant. I really don't mind people voicing disappointment or feature requests for Live, what bugs me is people saying 'Logic 8 gave us this, bye bye ableton etc, ableton are dead in the water and similar comments'
If people are that shallow/impatient they should go and use whatever magical software floats their boat, where some of these people will surely be whining at that forum come next update time.
Objective comments are one thing, just saying 'Live 7 sucks, I'm going to Logic/Reaper/Sonar etc. Bye Bye' etc. Well goodbye indeed - and good riddance !!
Well Sonar has a 64 bit audio engine and Traction has 64 bit summing. Pro Tools has 48 bit fixed point summing.djadonis206 wrote: seems odd to keep the boat a float the abes claimed ableton sounded just as good as Logic, Cubase etc so why update the audio engine?
Tarekith wrote:Well and proper said.OvertoneZero wrote:Trolling through the forum ruckus, it looks like there are some pretty cool changes in version 7. There are also some big gaps.
Simply put, I would encourage Ableton from both a commercial and artistic perspective to put 100% of their future development energy and focus into refining Live's base functionality and not worry about throwing in all the extras.
I would much prefer to spend my $$$ on a streamlined but extremely well-designed music creation program that does everything I want it to featurewise rather than see Ableton trying to become another 'bundled package' vendor. I already have plenty of plug-in synths, effects, etc.
If Ableton wants to do both and offer the option, do it, but keep your priorities straight and don't start adding more synths and stuff like that until all of the important sequencer features are nailed down..
There are some important features still missing from Live, like dual-monitor support and non-destructive audio overdubbing for clips that just seem like no-brainers.. How many more years? Forever?
Keep it on the right track.
I smoked crack in probably 88, in an apartment in the Tenderloin district of SF CA with a couple black dudes and a girl I was dating for a place to stay, who later on was on the cover of Spectator magazine.feerhoof wrote:I might have smoked crack without knowledge of when I was 17... not a very good trip....
+100Josh Von wrote:Tarekith wrote:Well and proper said.OvertoneZero wrote:Trolling through the forum ruckus, it looks like there are some pretty cool changes in version 7. There are also some big gaps.
Simply put, I would encourage Ableton from both a commercial and artistic perspective to put 100% of their future development energy and focus into refining Live's base functionality and not worry about throwing in all the extras.
I would much prefer to spend my $$$ on a streamlined but extremely well-designed music creation program that does everything I want it to featurewise rather than see Ableton trying to become another 'bundled package' vendor. I already have plenty of plug-in synths, effects, etc.
If Ableton wants to do both and offer the option, do it, but keep your priorities straight and don't start adding more synths and stuff like that until all of the important sequencer features are nailed down..
There are some important features still missing from Live, like dual-monitor support and non-destructive audio overdubbing for clips that just seem like no-brainers.. How many more years? Forever?
Keep it on the right track.
Yes, totally agree on this
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+1ethios4 wrote:Updating Live's audio engine in no way means there was a problem with it before, or that your muddy mixes can be blamed on Ableton. According to this logic, they should never update anything because to do so is an admission that things weren't as good as they could be before. For all you know, it sounded as good as every other DAW out there, and now it sounds better. People have been making killer mixes on equipment less advanced than Ableton for a really long time. Don't blame your tools!
