on behalf of musicians i declare war on the mainstream media

[Heinz Graaf]

yes please Modern RnB Sluts, please stop singing. Most of the beats are wack and you all sing the same. Stop doing it

[smartass303]

...there is no right life in a wrong life...

crappy translated by me,
but a good point from Mr. Adorno.

303

[went to the gypsy]

does it ave to be war?

i'm in if we just outsmart them & expose them to be the buffoons they are.

-wttg-

[mike holiday]

whos with me?

i'm with ya


and that's not just the news media.. but the entertainment media as well!!!

[chrysalis33rpm]

Go ahead piss away on the mainstream and when all you anti-mainstream idealists become the majority what does make all of you then ?

The neo-mainstream perhaps.

Sounds like a bunch of indie "non-comformists" all dressing to a certain code, liking a certain music and having the same interests all bagging everyone else out for being sheep.

You're still part of the herd even if your flock is of a different fleece.

theres nothing wrong with being 'majority' or mainstream, its just how theyre going about it.

its ok to make 1 billion dollars a year profit instead of 10 billion.

its okay to provide a platform like Idol for fostering new talent, but not when its used to mould artists into predefined packages they already have in mind.

its just how these greedy fucks are going about it and it's actually devalued out creative works.

Oh I agree with you in many respects SweetJesus.
I guess I am more concerned with the notion that anti-mainstream can indeed become a new mainstream mode of thought .
Either end of the spectrum is in many respects as dangerous as the other.
It isn't just a case of greed either.
The whole bigger is better dichotomy.
This is reinforced on so many levels in society at an almost subconscious level.
One almost feels as if populism reigns supreme.
Add to that the fact that we all need longer harder erections.
Women should have bigger breasts.
Men should have well defined abs.
You should own the biggest house.
Have the biggest pay packet.
Be seen wearing or liking the most popular things.
Sometimes I feel like we live in a self loathing, narcissistic, be anything other than yourself, me too, I'm a fabulously nobody, nihilistic culture that is obsessed with a veritable Warholian 15 minutes of fame at any cost.
The epitaph for the masses should probably read "Eat Shit, 10 Million Flies Can't be Wrong".
We really need to change peoples perspectives on what true success is.
Our worth isn't based on our merits as individuals, whether we be rich or poor.
Being Human alone is worth something and each one of us is special.
This holds true no matter what our station in life.
Everything around us is like a distraction that prevents each and everyone of us all from finding our "True North".
For me that is the greatest tragedy of all.
People going through life, chasing the biggest lie of all and never ever realizing there existence as the creature they where always meant to be.
We are all beautifully fucked up, flawed and contradictory in one way shape or form and the sooner we all realize that true beauty lies in our imperfections and flaws the better off we will all be.
Being forced into a seemingly digitized world of airbrushed beauty, binary logic and populist me too ideology where the imperfect self and the notion of community no longer exist is a depressing thought.
Quite frankly I wonder whether humanity has reached an evolutionary regression beyond the mean.
How as organic individuals can we evolve in parallel with technology that is fast reaching an evolutionary singularity is beyond me also.
We either homogenize and embrace the machine, in essence becoming cyber-kinetic organisms or more than likely face a mass extinction event unless we make some magical quantum evolutionary leap through natural processes of evolution and or natural genetic mutation.
That said I will shut up as that is going way off topic and into philosophical spheres of discussion best left to another thread altogether.

Wow.

So, how to become the media? What channel shall we play on?

[Timur]

"Who wants to form a massive group against the mainstream? Everybody ought to join!" ...

"We're all individuals!" "I'm not!"

[djgroovy]

Yeah. like even if ALL this forum users together would be massive against the mainstream - just drops in the ocean my friend!
But a monopoly cant be fought by a person alone - need many drops to make a current.

[Timur]

need many drops to make a current.

And many currents to make a stream... Just playing on words here.

[chrysalis33rpm]

need many drops to make a current.

And many currents to make a stream... Just playing on words here.

And the right lever can move a planet...but whatever. I care more about the depth and intensity of individual experience than about mass movements.

Eastern philosophy teaches us that when we struggle against something, we in fact give it strength...so lets not define ourselves by what we are against, but instead what we are for.

[sweetjesus]

we should all thank each other. theres a lot of people here willing to support this and it shows the feeling.. the pulse of the situation.

its good nobody here against the 'mainstream' just because it is the majority, but we are against certain practices.

as patrons of the arts, we have more power than anyone in the world.

the media knows this.

for example, through our personal networks for example, im sure we would know enough people to span most of the musicans on myspace.

us + hot chicks = unstoppable message

[subbasshead]

No. You cannot force anything on anyone, it won't stick.

i think one doco that should be compulsory viewing about the media
& manipulation of society is this one:
The Century of the Self - download/watch it here (4x1 hour parts)
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=T ... Self&hl=en

its not a recent doco but it shows some hard-to-believe but true examples
of how society was controlled and/or manipulated by the media

another similarly good doco to watch (especially if you are American) is:
The Power of Nightmares


i also try to remember the saying:
'the opposite of love is not hate, its indifference'

& so
'you know all that crap on TV & in the media?'
'what crap?'
'EXACTLY!'

[Mesmer]

Being mystic, and all tonight; here's what I found:

19

Throw away holiness and wisdom,
and people will be a hundred times happier.
Throw away morality and justice,
and people will do the right thing.
Throw away industry and profit,
and there won't be any thieves.

If these three aren't enough,
just stay at the center of the circle
and let all things take their course.

Book of Tao

[krank]

I applaud your idealism.

I also feel an urge to state that people generally suck. This includes many 'idealists'.

We're all drifting in a vast ocean of stupidity; we drink from it and in turn reproduce it by our pissing in it, to stay in the picture.

Only a few of us drifters have our heads bobbing above the surface.

[Martyn]

The industry's already done for as far as the majors are concerned. This is a good article (if you've not read it already) on how Columbia have hired Rick Rubin to try and rescue them.

The mighty music business is in free fall — it has lost control of radio; retail outlets like Tower Records have shut down; MTV rarely broadcasts music videos; and the once lucrative album market has been overshadowed by downloaded singles, which mainly benefits Apple. "The music business, as a whole, has lost its faith in content," David Geffen, the legendary music mogul, told me recently. "Only 10 years ago, companies wanted to make records, presumably good records, and see if they sold. But panic has set in, and now it's no longer about making music, it's all about how to sell music. And there's no clear answer about how to fix that problem. But I still believe that the top priority at any record company has to be coming up with great music. And for that reason, Sony was very smart to hire Rick."

Quoted from http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/02/magaz ... bin.t.html

It's an interesting read.

[mike holiday]

actually i take pleasure in the fact murdoch had to spend a billion dollars on a shitty coded site.

yeah but once again the shitty coders make the phat dough