Bypass record modifier

[dick nixon]

Don't you have 3 options?

so you have 2 options
1. go back later and delete everything you didnt want automated
2. press stop everytime you want to change something and have to start recoring the sequence and other changes you DO want recorded all over again

or

3. Ignore the fact that track 3 is too loud while you're recording your arrangement and filter sweep. After you've recorded all the parts you want, go turn down track 3.

I'm not trying to be facetious here. I just don't understand the problem, I guess. There have been a couple of times where I have been recording a guitar part or something and I've turned some other knob and had to go back and delete the automation I didn't mean to create, but that didn't bug me too much.

And it's way better than having to remember what exactly you want to arm for recording. Plus, the way it is currently enables you to record something unplanned you do if you have a brainflash or something. It captures good accidents as well as bad, I guess is what I am saying.

[forge]

Don't you have 3 options?

so you have 2 options
1. go back later and delete everything you didnt want automated
2. press stop everytime you want to change something and have to start recoring the sequence and other changes you DO want recorded all over again

or

3. Ignore the fact that track 3 is too loud while you're recording your arrangement and filter sweep. After you've recorded all the parts you want, go turn down track 3.

I'm not trying to be facetious here. I just don't understand the problem, I guess. There have been a couple of times where I have been recording a guitar part or something and I've turned some other knob and had to go back and delete the automation I didn't mean to create, but that didn't bug me too much.

And it's way better than having to remember what exactly you want to arm for recording. Plus, the way it is currently enables you to record something unplanned you do if you have a brainflash or something. It captures good accidents as well as bad, I guess is what I am saying.

we all have different ways of working I guess

I usually end up with way more than just one track volume I want to change throughout the course of recording a sequence

I know it caputures good accidents - so what if you're already recording one of the good accidents, and it involves loads of parameters, and you want to to carry on that way for a while - you have to keep the sequence playingfor it to record - so yes I could sit there doing nothing waiting for it to finish, but I'm more likely to start tweaking parameters as I go if they dont sound right

I find arranging and mixing as I go one of the best things about Live, this one thing makes it less elegant

[icedsushi]

I'm realising more and more that what we need is a simple modifier key to momentarily stop recording everything you do, then when you let go new changes are recorded again

Ah I see what you mean now. But we already have this, right? Just toggle the record button (F9) on/off while your arrangement runs.

Regarding touch/write etc, those Logic functions. I always found it a drag to switch them back and forth and always be checking the status of a track before recording anything. It's nice in theory but I found myself wasting a lot of time clicking on that stuff when I could just be enabling/disabling the main record button.

Ironically, when I stopped using Logic, this is one of the things I liked about Live. I have to agree with the previous poster. It's all about getting used to the workflow...

[pat the dog]

But we already have this, right? Just toggle the record button (F9) on/off while your arrangement runs.

but that stops recording everything including the clips which he wants to continue recording. i see what you mean about all the touch/latch stuff being a pain. maybe this modifier key is the way to go....

[longjohns]

You need to fight off your volume-adjusting urges until your recording pass is complete

[longjohns]

Well I have certainly experienced this before, but I'm not sure what's the best solution. Separate record buttons maybe (track + auto)

[icedsushi]

But we already have this, right? Just toggle the record button (F9) on/off while your arrangement runs.

but that stops recording everything including the clips which he wants to continue recording. i see what you mean about all the touch/latch stuff being a pain. maybe this modifier key is the way to go....

It'll stop recording a new clip, yes. But if you just leave the overdub switch on, you can pretty much do whatever automation you want and toggle back and forth of it being recorded or not.

I mean how many times do you need to record new clips, automation and tweak the mix of your tracks all at the same time. Do you really have enough hands and brains to do it all?

[Machinate]

great thread - after nearly a year (or more?) the world is beginning to grasp the dilemma Forge has been hurled into, and the users are taking sides:

Part of me wants to say: "that's what pen and paper is for. Remember it until after your take, and then do the tweaks"

And then part of me is saying: "Good, a global "bypass-automation-mode" is what we need, but then won't we constantly be messing up the other way around: by performing changes that we actually WANT to automate, but now we've got that bloody modifier going!?"

[pat the dog]

It'll stop recording a new clip, yes. But if you just leave the overdub switch on, you can pretty much do whatever automation you want and toggle back and forth of it being recorded or not.

I mean how many times do you need to record new clips, automation and tweak the mix of your tracks all at the same time. Do you really have enough hands and brains to do it all? 8O

That's true, although the other affect of toggling record is to stop any clips currently playing in the session window. I get your second point though. At the moment I seem to do one "live" pass of session clips into the arrangement and from there onwards just work in arrangement the same way I would with Logic. I guess I should try harder!

[forge]

You need to fight off your volume-adjusting urges until your recording pass is complete

if it was just volume it would be no problem

say yo start recording because you want to record a load of automation on all 8 macros for one device with an automapped controller - you're tweaking away on a bass line in a kind of "tweak solo" or build up/break down whatever, then you get the cutoff down to about 40 on a LP filter, you're happy to let the bass just walk on it's own for a while..

now you realise a drum loop doesnt sound quite right so you switch to that track, but all you want to do here is adjust 8 different paramters on a saturator with waveshaping or sinoid fold mode and leave it like that

so you set that up - now you have all the tweaking for those 8 parameters recorded and there's 8 different bits of unwanted automation you now have to delete - but you want it deleted only from within the part where the settings were how you wanted them so the saturator is set with those values

that's just one device, in one rack on one track....etc etc etc - do you see why it can be a PITA???

I cant believe all you people are telling me that you dont come across situations where you want to change the sound on a new device because the other device has now changed, but dont want to record it?

the bass has just got alot less prominenet so you notice the loop more - maybe that is something for later stages, but if I get the idea NOW I'd rather act on it, without it creating loads more work for later

[forge]

great thread - after nearly a year (or more?) the world is beginning to grasp the dilemma Forge has been hurled into

the crazy thing is I probably could have made it alot clearer long ago with some screen captures

I guess I was just so sure that other people would have experienced the same thing, but evidently not!

[icedsushi]

Guess I can see where you're coming from for your specific situation, but sorry, still doesn't affect me.

Maybe it's just me and I need to get with the times (?), but I don't have any problem with hitting my spacebar for a sec, make a quick non-automated permanent tweak then hit record and play again. Especially since these type of things are done during the production stage and aren't something you would do while performing live.

[forge]

Especially since these type of things are done during the production stage and aren't something you would do while performing live.

why does the production stage have to be seperate to the real time/live approach? Isn't that why people come to Live?

I thought Live was a "sequencer instrument!"

[ilia]

I've had the same concern as Forge (I think... ) for the longest time. A simple option -- to choose whether or not automation is being recorded while audio is recorded -- would be quite useful. I really don't understand why it's not there.

[Grifter]

This Thread hits the very heart of playing *LIVE*

The greatest Benefit I see with how to view this feature request is in this manner...

>Think to yourself how you would like the to Jam out with Ableton in session view, but OFC you would like to **COMMIT** some automation and *Naturally * you would like to have an option of disabling *other* Automation that as a MUSO you *Just wanto to Jam OUT* rather than committing to track...

Why?...simple really mates Frequency conflicts...groove conflicts... ahhh conflicts.

All the best

Griff





As far as I see it...there is no side taking, thats a poor call really.