Beatport DJ Competition won't allow Ableton

ARDJ · Post by **ARDJ** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:45 am

how ironic, a company trying to move everyone into the digital era won't allow our favorite DJ tool to be used:

http://www.beatportal.com/news/item/dj- ... at-in-nyc/

i think my favorite quote:

Computer-sequenced mixes will not be accepted. You must perform and control your mix in real-time, as would be expected from any professional DJ

right, sasha, junkie xl, spooky, not professional by any means. give me a break

nuperspective · Post by **nuperspective** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:49 am

WTF is that all about????

thats just retarded

kent_sandvik · Post by **kent_sandvik** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:43 am

They will place guards in every location where someone is building a mix, making sure that the rules are applied. --Kent

djritchie · Post by **djritchie** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:52 am

just goes to show what many people still people still think - in a way i agree with this if...

I have heard many 'ableton' mixes (mostly from ableton DJ's .com) - And to be honest i get annoyed, ive been mixing for 10 years, started off wiv beltrdrive, bashed my head off the wall for years until i finally cracked the beat matching! Now id like to call myself at pro standard. But back to my point - many of these ableton mixes ive heard are simply warped and timed offline mixes that you should be able to perform live - nothing fancy, people just warping up tracks then fadin them in and out - just like you could do wiv 2 decks and sum vinyl!! - what is the point?? the computer is doin all the work!! u must agree?? - HOWEVER...

I have also heard sum very very special ableton mixes - Paul Maddox, Gaz West, Sasha, John oo Fleming, Diggers etc... who have not simply pressed the ableton button but had many clever edits in their mixes, new samples, re-loops magic FX etc etc - If you are going to use ableton to mix make it something that cannot be done wiv a pair of decks!! Then i think ableton and its users will get the credit it/they deserve!!

kramerica · Post by **kramerica** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:59 am

How about just judging it by how it "sounds" as opposed to how it's "made"?

djritchie · Post by **djritchie** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:04 am

i totally agree! am very suprised about beatport, perhaps we should boycott!

robbmasters · Post by **robbmasters** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:33 am

ARDJ wrote:
Computer-sequenced mixes will not be accepted. You must perform and control your mix in real-time, as would be expected from any professional DJ
right, sasha, junkie xl, spooky, not professional by any means. give me a break

Well, surely they do perform and control their mixes in real-time...

But it's the next bit that rules out Ableton DJs, i.e. "Laptop-based software such as Traktor Scratch or Serato is fine, as long as you are performing mixes and beat-matching in real-time."

djritchie wrote:perhaps we should boycott!

Been boycotting them over their xenophobic pricing policy anyway...

sqook · Post by **sqook** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:35 am

I think you guys are totally misreading this... it doesn't say you can't use live, it just says that you can't "milli vanilli" it with live. Basically, if you want to use live in this competition, you should add a resampling track into your mix and record it with that... instead of laying out all your tracks in the arrangement view and rendering it to disk (ie, cheating).

That's what they mean when say no computer-sequenced mixes....

djritchie · Post by **djritchie** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:35 am

robbmasters wrote: Been boycotting them over their xenophobic pricing policy anyway...

pres' tell???

robbmasters · Post by **robbmasters** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:42 am

In a nutshell, they charge customers in the EU up to 30% more than customers in the US, and customers in the UK up to 87% more than customers in the US.

E.g. a back catalogue WAV files costs $2.49 in the US, €2.49 ($3.58) in the EU, and £2.29 ($4.66) in the UK,

Like it costs more to ship downloads to Europe...

djritchie · Post by **djritchie** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:56 am

robbmasters wrote: Like it costs more to ship downloads to Europe...

lol - outrageous!!! Anything better than beatport?? - i use trackitdown.net a little, sumtimes 3beat

robbmasters · Post by **robbmasters** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:03 am

I use Juno Download wherever possible. When I first started buying downloads, I checked all the stores' terms and conditions to find out what I could do with the downloads, and I emailed the stores if I couldn't find a good answer. Juno allow you to do pretty much whatever you like: convert to WAV, burn to CD, play out when DJing, etc. Many other stores don't allow these activities making them technically illegal.

Juno Download also does some releases in WAV format.

Unfortunately, their catalogue is a bit patchy...

snakedogman · Post by **snakedogman** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:35 am

sqook wrote:I think you guys are totally misreading this... it doesn't say you can't use live, it just says that you can't "milli vanilli" it with live. Basically, if you want to use live in this competition, you should add a resampling track into your mix and record it with that... instead of laying out all your tracks in the arrangement view and rendering it to disk (ie, cheating).

That's what they mean when say no computer-sequenced mixes....

it says "beatmatching in real time"
something that afaik is impossible in Live since it's always doing the beatmatching for you.

How the fuck are they gonna check that anyway? Get with the times guys, it's not about how you make a mix, it's about the tracks you play. It's kinda sad that the benchmark of a good mix seems to have become whether or not is has been beatmatched live or not. Yeah I can understand that people who had to learn beathmatching on belt-drives feel that the new generation is somehow "cheating" but if you think about it, it nonsense. With that logic, loads of electronic musicians are cheating when writing music anyway. They don't play the instruments live, and it's all played by a computer!

djritchie · Post by **djritchie** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:00 am

yeh i still agree, even to mix in ableton u have to have the same knowledge gained when mixing 10 years ago - beat structure, down beats, arrangement etc...

Some1 on another forum pointed out that beatport is owned(or partnered) by Native Instruments (hence Traktor is ALLOWED) - so maybe its down to that!

RuthlessRulerPX76 · Post by **RuthlessRulerPX76** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:30 pm

My best guess is that this is about BP's "partnership" with Serato. Big companies don't sign on to help you and then allow you to stump for someone else. Just open your eyes and look - but keep in mind it's sometimes about what you do NOT see

Also, by it's nature BP has ALWAYS had an "exclusive" attitute. That's so 90's, isn't it? So pre-internet. They're talking about Web 2.0 and Web 3.0 and they don't even grasp the basics of Web 1.0 yet. I'm not doubting how successful they are, I just don't buy into their own hype. LOL

Also, keep in mind that there are those who question who REALLY owns BP at this point. Remember when they used to have the bit about Bad Boy Bill, Hawtin, John A, etc? That's gone now. Keep in mind PB was started by a guy/group who owns a marketing/advertising/design firm in Denver. It seems unlikely they'd miss an opportunity like that? So again, there has to be a reason for what is not there. eh? And doesn't the rule of this contest strike you as someone who's strings are being pulled by someone else?

Just don't sniff too hard, you might catch a serious nose full of shxt. LOL

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