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Are you a patriot or a democrat?

Vote Democrat and surrender our freedom to the terrorists
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Post by BinaryB » Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:33 pm

M. Bréqs wrote:
BinaryB wrote: HA HA HA :lol:

You really are a chump.

Dont - Dont, Dont - Dont - Dont Believe The Hype.

Mr.Bleep.

:roll:
No hype there, dhimwit. This only confirms what I see here every fucking day with my own two eyes.
BinaryB wrote:
Your idea of winning is not success,
its called having to continue fighting and spending resources on subduing the insurgents.
You know you aint never gonna win baby.

Especially the shit fight you are in NOW...

The best you can hope for is to buddy up with the locals and make deals
with someone to get them in power.
Especially the shit fight I'm in NOW? You have no idea what I'm NOW. How about you put the paper bag back on your head, some reality might slip in if you don't. Wouldn't want that, noooooo.

I must be making sense to you.

Please dont lose your cool mate.


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Post by BinaryB » Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:54 pm

M. Bréqs wrote:
No hype there, dhimwit. This only confirms what I see here every fucking day with my own two eyes.
I have two eyes too.
M. Bréqs wrote:
Especially the shit fight I'm in NOW? You have no idea what I'm NOW. How about you put the paper bag back on your head, some reality might slip in if you don't. Wouldn't want that, noooooo.
Yes you are in a shit-fight. so I will give you a little understanding.
The pressure of being over there must be overwhelming sometimes.
It would be understandable that you would turn to one of your more
familiar environments like the Ableton forum to escape that place.

You gotta be careful here though.

You can get anything from pubscent trolls and spambots
to well traveled intellectuals.

And quite a few of them are likely to work in media production...




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Anyway.

Like I said in your other thread. enough is enough.

Goodbye and Goodluck with your safe return.
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Post by senator adam » Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:21 pm

Adonis wrote: maybe someone can answer this question - why do all men with brown skin i.e. from Central or South America, or from the middle eastern countries have mustashes? I mean really, is the Mustache necessary? and who started that trend, Saddam?


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Post by Timur » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:12 pm

In the Middle East and many other cultural areas the mustache is just a sign of manhood/adulthood/authority (even german policemen often wear mustaches) and it's been worn by many men in very different cultures for a far longer time than Saddam H. was actually living on this planet.

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Post by djadonis206 » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:33 pm

Ok, so the next question is why do all really good people in the world have long hair

people like Jesus, Hippies and George Washington

so who started that trend????
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Post by glu » Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:20 pm

djadonis206 wrote:Ok, so the next question is why do all really good people in the world have long hair

people like Jesus, Hippies and George Washington

so who started that trend????
you know it

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Post by BriGuy » Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:51 am

Yeah! All the cool guys throughout history have had long hair and pony tails. Especially the guys who wrote the US Constitution. Which leads me to tie back to the original thread --

Sure - go ahead and vote Republican ... as long as Ron Paul gets the nomination!!

http://www.ronpaul2008.com

But, if you want endless war and terrorism, endless increase in taxes, government control of the Internet - vote for 'America's Mayor', Romney, Billary or Obama.

So, here is what I say to you "the last one" (possibly a reference to your luck in surviving the imminent Armageddon that Bush/Cheney are so desperately trying to bring about) - try not to phrase polls as if you are working on the political desk of Fox News. I refuse to vote in your poll because it is a nonsensical postulation.

Folks - things are so serious now that it is no longer about Republican or Democrat - it's about who reverses the trend of American Empire. If you watch the debates, it's pretty obvious who is the only one even talking about taking things back in that sane direction: Ron Paul.

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Post by hoffman2k » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:48 am

djadonis206 wrote:Ok, so the next question is why do all really good people in the world have long hair

people like Jesus, Hippies and George Washington

so who started that trend????
Ehmm God? Duh!!! :wink:

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btw... Manson had long hair too....

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Post by forge » Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:14 pm

hoffman2k wrote:
djadonis206 wrote:Ok, so the next question is why do all really good people in the world have long hair

people like Jesus, Hippies and George Washington

so who started that trend????
Ehmm God? Duh!!! :wink:
g[/img]

btw... Manson had long hair too....
does this mean I'm doomed because I'm going bald? 8O

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Post by Machinesworking » Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:38 am

forge wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:
djadonis206 wrote:Ok, so the next question is why do all really good people in the world have long hair

people like Jesus, Hippies and George Washington

so who started that trend????
Ehmm God? Duh!!! :wink:
g[/img]

btw... Manson had long hair too....
does this mean I'm doomed because I'm going bald? 8O
No it means Manson was misunderstood! :D

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Post by forge » Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:50 am

maybe I'll grow it at the back and buy some of those round coloured glasess and be a bald bearded hippie with a pony tail

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Post by djadonis206 » Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:41 pm

BriGuy wrote:Yeah! All the cool guys throughout history have had long hair and pony tails. Especially the guys who wrote the US Constitution. Which leads me to tie back to the original thread --

Sure - go ahead and vote Republican ... as long as Ron Paul gets the nomination!!

http://www.ronpaul2008.com

But, if you want endless war and terrorism, endless increase in taxes, government control of the Internet - vote for 'America's Mayor', Romney, Billary or Obama.

So, here is what I say to you "the last one" (possibly a reference to your luck in surviving the imminent Armageddon that Bush/Cheney are so desperately trying to bring about) - try not to phrase polls as if you are working on the political desk of Fox News. I refuse to vote in your poll because it is a nonsensical postulation.

Folks - things are so serious now that it is no longer about Republican or Democrat - it's about who reverses the trend of American Empire. If you watch the debates, it's pretty obvious who is the only one even talking about taking things back in that sane direction: Ron Paul.

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Just an FYI on Ron Paul he's heavily supported by the White Power movement

see for yourself at stormfront.org

but on to a more relevant topic

Manson may have had long hair but he had a vision - it may have been a murderous vision but a vision none the less - in a sense he was a hippy with a screw loose. Back then you had to have a screw loose to be a hippy, so in the logic of non logic ( T F = T) he was a good person because he had long hair

that made no sense and my name is Adonis ;)


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Post by BriGuy » Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:53 pm

Thanks djadonis but, like your Manson / long-hair exposition, I think it's a case of applying associative properties where they don't exist. I don't see anywhere in the Paul platform where he reciprocates support for Stormfront's brand of ignorant bigotry.

I read their RP thread (whacky, horrible site) and it seems that the racists are also in two minds about Ron Paul. His position on securing the USA's borders obviously appeals to their xenophobia but I think that's about it. If you listen to Ron Paul, he is totally on the side of individual rights, not rights for any special interest group, let alone one based on the color of a person's skin.

The main thing is to look at the platforms and policies and don't get caught up in the Republican / Democrat thing. They are both to blame for the mess the country is in.

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Post by smutek » Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:17 pm

If anyone is interested here is an interview with Ron Paul on The News Hour with Jim Lehre.

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ylk69fDO4U

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1l0e5Q2nGA



I'm considering voting for Ron Paul, but I have a lot of questions I'd like answered.

Obviously his stance on Iraq is extremely appealing to me. Last I checked Kucinich had a similar stance, so maybe this explains why I like both of these candidates so much.

I also like his broad idea of non-interventionist foreign policy. I tend to follow foreign affairs the most (primarily military and intelligence issues) and, perhaps unfortunately, domestic affairs not as much as I should. But alas, the foreign affairs issues are the one's that strike closest to my heart so those are the ones I am most keen on. When I was a child I used to sit and draw maps of various countries, and as a teenager/early 20's I was reading journals like Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy and the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, books on the CIA and various intelligence agencies, obscure books about the military capabilities of third world countries... all between bong hits and rolling rocks. Had I not done so much partying I'd most likely be working (or would have worked) somewhere like the State Department, Pentagon, NSA or the CIA to be honest.

In my 20's I think I was more of the typical left wing conspiracy theory type of guy. With a bong in my hand I would explain to you how everything was a government plot. But, I always read both sides of the story. I would read a book by William Colby as quickly and openly as I would read one by Phillip Agee. I don't think I would call myself a moderate now, but I do think I built a fairly solid understanding of our countries recent history (with regards to its foreign policy at least) and as a result, as I have gotten older I feel have developed a pretty realistic, pragmatic if you will, understanding of the things our country does abroad, why we do them, and perhaps most importantly how they affect others and us.

I firmly believe that the policies we implement around the world affect others and ultimately us in a negative way and in most cases result in terrible consequences for the people living in the countries we apply these policies to. Ron Paul made a perfect point in the interview I linked to when he mentioned our overthrow of Mohammed Mosadegh of Iran in 1953. I could name a million other examples from pretty much every corner of the globe. Do I believe we should keep our noses out of everything without exception? Not sure to be honest. I do know that 99.9% of the time the reasons why we are told we are doing something are usually not true, there is always a motive, just not what we are told. There really is no such thing as a humanitarian military intervention, to be honest the only one that comes to my mind would be Vietnams invasion of Cambodia in 1979, kicking the Khmer Rouge regime (another sad by-product of American interventionism) from Phnom Penh.

So yes, I strongly support a non-interventionist foreign policy and this, along with Iraq, is one of the things that really turns me on to Ron Paul. I think it might do us some good for a while. It would be interesting to see what levels of anti-Americanism we would see if we say... pulled all of our troops out of the middle east and stopped supporting corrupt Kings and Dictators just because it is supposedly in our "interests". If we *gasp* ceased our blatantly one sided support of Israel? Israel is armed to the teeth, fully nuclear, and have one of the most effective intelligence capabilities in the world - they are more than capable of taking care of themselves.

Also, I am really beginning to like the idea of smaller government, mostly perhaps because I am very afraid of the direction our current one has been heading. I would say I am pro-abortion but mainly because I do not believe it is the right of the Federal Government to decide. So I would be open to this issue being determined by the states. Same goes for prayer in schools, I am against it, but do not believe it is an issue that should be determined by the Federal government. I've really begun to feel that Government is most effective, and most responsive, on a local level. So perhaps this is also a reason why Ron Paul is very appealing to me at the moment.

And, as silly as it may sound, I really believe he is an honest man who speaks from the heart. That may change, but right now that is how I feel. I mentioned that I also like Kucinich, but the last interview I watched with him I could not help but pick up a bit of "washington" in his answers. I don't know...

But I have my questions and skepticism as well.

For one, I disagree with his assertion that the CIA is an invisible government. The CIA is beholden to the executive, and in matters of foreign policy it is actually the job of the CIA to deflect responsibility from the executive and onto itself. They are given orders by the president and the NSC and are also supposed to take the hit if things go wrong. It's actually written into their charter I believe.

Ron Paul does not call for abolishing the CIA, which I would be opposed to, but calls for abolishing many of its functions. I want to know more about what he plans. I'm pro-peace and anti-intervention, but I do not for a second believe we should be without an effective military and intelligence gathering apparatus. I would agree with a scaled back Directorate of Operations focused primarily on Intelligence gathering and not at all on things like destabilization, kidnappings, assassinations and coup's.

Also, I am all for smaller government, but who is going to keep an eye on big business? I also firmly believe that the policies of big business has been a plague on the democratic system and on the people. They simply wield way too much influence and power. What does Ron Paul propose to do to fix this? What does Ron Paul propose to do to make sure workers rights are protected? A few years ago a large company in my area called Bethlehem Steel was bought out by a company called ISG. ISG somehow managed to buy Beth Steel without any of it's "liabilities" - everybody was happy, except the people who worked there. Thousands of people in my area were affected. My Father in law was one of them, 28 1/2 years on the job, 18 months away from retirement and he lost his pension. Well, he didn't completely lose it, but he now has to work another 10 years in that shit hole and will retire on a pension that is 1/3 of what he was promised.

He was crushed.

I want to know how we can make sure things like this do not happen anymore, and how a smaller government would ensure the people were protected from shady business practices such as the Beth Steel/ISG deal.

I think one of the most important issues threatening our Democracy is media consolidation (that Bill Clinton made possible with the Telecommunications act of 1996). This needs to be rolled back, and I know Kucinich has proposed legislation to do so, but what about Ron Paul? What is his solution?

What about campaign contributions from PACS, big business and special interest groups? Money - perhaps one of the most corrupting things in government. How will a smaller government keep big business out of government?

Exactly how will smaller Government make sure big business does not run amok?

Where does he stand on the environment?

I really am all for a smaller federal government, with many important decisions being made locally the only way this will truly be effective, the only way the peoples voices will really be heard, is to get big money/big business out of government completely.

Also, what about civil rights? A lot of the mess we had back during the civil rights movement was a result of racist local authorities. School segregation, etc. Not saying racism didn't (and still does not) exist in the Federal Government, but it wasn't until the Federal government got involved that things began to change. Would Local and State governments in Mississippi have allowed things like desegregation with out Federal intervention?

It may not be quite as blatant, but racism is still alive and well here. How will a hands off Federal government protect individual liberties if localities are free to ignore them because the Feds are "hands off"

So, I'm not criticizing him or his ideas, those are just some of the questions I want answered myself before I will commit my vote to Ron Paul. That said, right now he really does have my ear.

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