Many Other Important Improvements

nowtime · Post by **nowtime** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:16 pm

Robert Henke wrote:@ Angstrom:

feedbacks in digital audio are pandoras box. At some point we might introduce block wise audio calculation for all our effects, and from that day on you'll have all kinds of wierd behaviour with such kinds of feedback. your loop will be *almost* eight bars long and it will change as a function of many factors we cannot determine now.

now imagine what users would tell us if this would happen....

so, we do not officially allow. better remind us to do spend more focus on you looper guys !

Robert

Hey, Robert;

Did you guys forget about Looper?

Timur · Post by **Timur** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:29 pm

Angstrom wrote:
Robert Henke wrote:@ Angstrom:

feedbacks in digital audio are pandoras box. At some point we might introduce block wise audio calculation for all our effects, and from that day on you'll have all kinds of wierd behaviour with such kinds of feedback. your loop will be *almost* eight bars long and it will change as a function of many factors we cannot determine now.

now imagine what users would tell us if this would happen....
Robert

I am with Angstrom on this one! Especially when you say that the outcome may be "all kinds of weird behavior" and "many factors we cannot determine now" it makes this kind of routing even more interesting. Sometimes you want weird things to happen of which the outcome cannot be determined before trying things.

On the other hand I understand that you don't want anyone to blow his brains out by unexpected loud noise (especially when wearing headphones), so is there no way to build in a safety "switch" for those stupid people who try plugging things while having their volume setup too loud?

MartinOM28V · Post by **MartinOM28V** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:58 am

A HUGE improvement in Live 7 I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere, but the EIC sampled instruments work much, much better. I'm beta testing Live 7 using the Grand Piano from the Live 6 EIC, and it's more responsive without the hiccups and missed notes that I get in Live 6. It makes the EIC instantly more usable.

Pasha · Post by **Pasha** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 5:35 pm

Poster wrote:multiple Library locations in the Prefs, very good..

Can you pls explain with more detail?

- Best
- Pasha

Poster · Post by **Poster** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 7:18 pm

Pasha wrote:
Poster wrote:multiple Library locations in the Prefs, very good..
Can you pls explain with more detail?

- Best
- Pasha

there is a chooser in the prefs where you can bookmark multiple library locations so you can choose which one to use..

Pasha · Post by **Pasha** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:01 pm

Poster wrote:
Pasha wrote:
Poster wrote:multiple Library locations in the Prefs, very good..
Can you pls explain with more detail?

- Best
- Pasha
there is a chooser in the prefs where you can bookmark multiple library locations so you can choose which one to use..

Thank you Poster!
Would you mind answering to my questions here?
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... highlight=

3phase · Post by **3phase** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:25 pm

Angstrom wrote:Ableton tried to stop me looping stuff back on itself, by disallowing a compressor to take its input from the output of the chain it is in ... IE a loopback situation.
Solution ? make another chain in the same rack and loop between the two.
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exellent... niceuse of the program

3phase · Post by **3phase** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:28 pm

Angstrom wrote:AAAARRRRGGGGG

they have "fixed" this in the newest beta so the feedback doesn;t work.

I am really swearing a lot now.

I just checked a set in the previous beta against the newest one and it is different, the feedback hack is dead

really? thats shit... they should concentrate on bugs and timing behaviour and not prohibit user creativity .... its not necessary to press a user in a way of working.. a daw dont needs to be fool prooved...music creation itself is not foolprooved... but because its not deadly that dont hurts...

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:14 pm

The Ableton's are investigating why this behaviour changed, as it wasn't planned specifically.
it seems that it has not been a "decision" to change anything as such, but it may be as a consequence of fixing something else that this hack no longer works. Its a mystery at the moment.

As it was a hack anyway there was always the chance that it would die one day, but I did hope for a little longer life. There is still a chance this behaviour will be resurrected, but only time will tell.

Obviously if this needs to die in order to fix some legitimate area of the application such as 'recording audio on time', then it must die and another method to loopback in rack must be used. But if this hack died for accidental reasons then there is a slim chance it might reappear. So time will tell. But as I said, it wasn't a 'feature' anyway, so Ableton don't have any obligation to 'fix' it. Any more than if I used my DVD player to mix cocktails and it lost that ability.

As an aside, Amaury has illustrated a way to get a similar effect using the DrumRack inline returns. This drumrack method is not a hack and will therefore not get removed. The only drawback being that drumracks have no chain select, so it isn't quite possible to switch loops using one dial and all the tracks that come from that. But I need to investigate further.

ton · Post by **ton** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:30 pm

earwax wrote:a couple of other questions about midi genrating vstis :
...
-can midi ccs generated by plugins be used to 'remote control' params in the midi learn mode ?
...

It would be even enough if Live would allow loading midi efx also before vst instruments, and not only after as it is possible now. There are many midi processing efx out there which are recognized by Live as audio efx but which are not. So letting the decision to the user where to load it would probably allow also using those midi plugins. (But I'm sure this should be suggested in the past by others, too.)