Live <--> Mainstage?

prettylights · Post by **prettylights** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:37 pm

I can send audio from Mainstage into Live via soundflower and it works incredibly well. The use of Logic instruments within Live could possibly have profound effects on my performance, but I need to find a way to send midi between the programs in order to quantize and loop sections; without looping the actual audio. Mainstage does not support rewire, so what other options are there? Has anyone successfully done this?

derekvincentsmith
prettylightsmusic.com
1.5 ghz g4 pb, live 6, reason 4, logic studio, mpc2000xl

Zerobae · Post by **Zerobae** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:42 pm

In Live 7 Beta you can use the External Instrument plug-in together with Soundflower to send MIDI from Live to Mainstage and get the resulting audio back to the MIDI track in Live.

prettylights · Post by **prettylights** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:46 pm

I suppose i'm way too late to get a beta version of 7.

Zerobae · Post by **Zerobae** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:50 pm

True for now, but Ableton will probably extend the Beta testers circle again, sometime soon.

prettylights · Post by **prettylights** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:54 pm

until i can get Live 7, are there any third party apps that do this?

sqook · Post by **sqook** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:58 pm

You don't need any 3rd-party stuff -- just use the IAC driver bulitin to OSX. It's not enabled by default, but you just need to open up Audio-Midi Setup, double click on it, and enable it's entry.

You should then be able to read/write to it just like you use soundflower.

prettylights · Post by **prettylights** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:14 pm

sick. I was previously unaware of the IAC driver. thank you. the first time i tried this .. 2 min ago, it worked for 2 sec and then the audio glitched out(which actually sounded fresh and i tried to hit record on the audio track, with no luck) and both programs stopped responding. It does work tho and i will experiment with the configuration, hopefully to find out that its not just my now, slow 1.5ghz powerbook that prevents this from working correctly.

Zerobae · Post by **Zerobae** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:29 pm

sqook wrote:You don't need any 3rd-party stuff -- just use the IAC driver bulitin to OSX. It's not enabled by default, but you just need to open up Audio-Midi Setup, double click on it, and enable it's entry.

You should then be able to read/write to it just like you use soundflower.

You'd still need Soundflower to record Mainstage's audio output back into Live, no?

gomi · Post by **gomi** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:40 pm

prettylights wrote:I can send audio from Mainstage into Live via soundflower and it works incredibly well. The use of Logic instruments within Live could possibly have profound effects on my performance, but I need to find a way to send midi between the programs in order to quantize and loop sections; without looping the actual audio. Mainstage does not support rewire, so what other options are there? Has anyone successfully done this?

derekvincentsmith
prettylightsmusic.com
1.5 ghz g4 pb, live 6, reason 4, logic studio, mpc2000xl

IAC.
Open your audio midi setup and then enable the iac, you will have internal
midi busses.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:55 pm

WHy no use Logic? I'm thinking more and more about using rewire, MIDI in Logic, even MIDI sequences can be fires with touch tracks via Live, live instruments in Live, and audio in Live.

What would be nice is if the new Leopard automator features could be set up to change songs in both Live and Logic while rewired...... main reason not to use rewire IMO.

gomi · Post by **gomi** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:59 pm

Zerobae wrote:In Live 7 Beta you can use the External Instrument plug-in together with Soundflower to send MIDI from Live to Mainstage and get the resulting audio back to the MIDI track in Live.

This totally work with SoundFlower, and the IAC bus.

I just tested it.

Wow.

Logic Instruments. IN LIVE.

Some latency, but you can fiddle.

smutek · Post by **smutek** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:07 pm

That has to be a huge processor drain I would think? What kind of system are you running this on? Would you need a dual laptop setup for tis to be really effective?

Just curious, might buy logic one day.

prettylights · Post by **prettylights** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:30 pm

Nice. this works great. Instead of opening a preset on Mainstage, I opened a blank template and created one channel strip and it helped tremendously. The preset templates I was using in Mainstage are huge, and i'm pretty sure that was part of the problem with it crashing the first time. so... with soundflower and IAC enabled, can record midi to a track in Live 6 and have it control my Mainstage instuments, with the audio running back into Live so I can loop and process it. I did however turn the track delay to -20ms on the midi track, but that seems quite minimal.
thanks everyone!

gomi · Post by **gomi** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:36 pm

smutek wrote:That has to be a huge processor drain I would think? What kind of system are you running this on? Would you need a dual laptop setup for tis to be really effective?

Just curious, might buy logic one day.

i just tested it on a macbook black 2.16ghz with 2gb of ram.
it seemed ok.

i mean it is really silly when you think about it.. except for sculpture
i can't see any logic instrument that doesn't have an alternative you
can run right in live.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:59 pm

gomi wrote:
smutek wrote:That has to be a huge processor drain I would think? What kind of system are you running this on? Would you need a dual laptop setup for tis to be really effective?

Just curious, might buy logic one day.
i just tested it on a macbook black 2.16ghz with 2gb of ram.
it seemed ok.

i mean it is really silly when you think about it.. except for sculpture
i can't see any logic instrument that doesn't have an alternative you
can run right in live.

The EXS is lean as hell, ES1 has a very unique beef to it, you may be able to run Logic FX in Mainstage to Live, though this might be pretty latency ridden.

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