FEATURE REQUEST: Plug-In Delay Compensation

pentajigga · Post by **pentajigga** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 6:03 pm

I cannot stress more strongly how important his feature is to a DAW.
Live4 is both a DAW and a live performance tool... this cannot be denied at this point. however ableton has made a few choices that would error on the live performance side over the DAW side of the program, three notable ones are:

1. cannot hear midi notes as they are drawn into the matrix grid
2. cannot spread arrange and scene page amongst two screens
3. lack of plug-gin delay compensation

i would like to talk about the last one, plugin delay compensation (PDC) in this thread. while i realize that in some live situations that PDC might be unwanted, live must come to terms with itself as a DAW and offer the final touches to make it a fully functioning one. i feel that we are 99% there... that ableton decided that it wanted to go down this DAW road and we were all happy and then-- there seems to be some apprehension to allow for full functionality.
im certain PDC (and previewing midi notes) can be implemented in a way in which it wont hinder live performance that is the basis of ableton. one remedy to all above feature rquest is to allow for them to be turned on/off in the preferences. PDC could be on for track building and turned off if you do not want it for live performances.

this is really it for live4. these features and a few others that loyal users will request to work out the idiosyncracies of the software and then stability -- and more stability -- and live4 will be able to serve both masters, DAW and live, excellently.

continued thanks to ableton for their efforts.

jrides · Post by **jrides** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:48 pm

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. YES

I plan on having a two monitor setup and possibly using Ableton 4 to replace certain hardware in my setup. All three of these features are a must. Again great job so far guys.

bensuthers · Post by **bensuthers** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 2:20 am

gee there must be an aweful lot of PC plugins out there with large unnecessary buffers. Maybe a lot of FFT based plugins?

Ableton have already answered this question in another thread.

pentajigga · Post by **pentajigga** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 1:26 am

ben--
wasnt a question. but yes i have heard and understand abletons position on this matter... i just wanted to state my requests in a coherent manner

also its not just a pc issue... im sure you know that... once you aggregate multi-plugins it starts to show, when they are on percussion tracks, it really starts to drift...

yes there are work-arounds, but PDC is better than a work around.
i consider switching fully to live because of speed and this limits speed.

olafmol · Post by **olafmol** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:47 am

same here, i am seriously looking at live 4 to replace my current main sequencer...... but as a UAD user PDC is really something i would miss a lot! the same for multiple monitors out..

Olaf

geoffroy · Post by **geoffroy** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:52 am

PDC is a must for using impulse based reverbs

olafmol · Post by **olafmol** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:17 am

and for using insert effects as send/aux effects, like the famous motown compression technique..

Olaf

yannxou · Post by **yannxou** » Tue Aug 03, 2004 5:30 pm

Oh please!

I've just found myself how necessary this feature is!
At least, plugin compensation should be applied when rendering.

I've rendered some loops through some effects and when I loaded them to live all clips where shifted.

rrrobc · Post by **rrrobc** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 5:14 pm

This is kind of OT, but...

olafmol,

what is the famous motown compression technique?

olafmol · Post by **olafmol** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 5:31 pm

rrrobc wrote:This is kind of OT, but...

olafmol,

what is the famous motown compression technique?

using compression as a send/aux effect instead of an insert effect, in other words: mix a (heavily) compressed version of the signal (often vocals) with the original uncompressed version..this way you can get a nice solid sound while still keeping dynamics...

without latency compensation this trick will give you phasing because the compressed signal is added with a delay to the uncompressed signal

Olaf