forge wrote:D K wrote:. born again, anti-abortion and pro-war.
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just blows my mind
I honestly cant see how anyone can reasonably reconcile the christian ideals with being pro-war - it's just insane
Agree. Most of them see muslims as godless, and basically subhuman, so it is ok to want to nuke them. Add to that their wanting to "come take away our freedom" and it's quite a volatile mix. One can easily draw very uncomfortable historical parallels to this type of hysteria and mindset.
You mentioned in an earlier post that war profiteers of today are essentially the same as those who sat on trial at Nuremberg after WWII. I'm not sure I'd draw that exact parallel, not that what is happening today is not a despicable crime of tragic proportions, and I think you know where I stand regarding that, but I personally am hard pressed to find a human tragedy which approaches the sheer brutality and cruelty that was visited upon the Jews of Europe during the Second World War.
Maybe I'm slightly over sensitive as I am currently reading "The Holocaust", by Martin Gilbert. I like to think I am somewhat informed, and I've always known what happened, I've known the numbers and the methods and I've always thought it was terrible but I can honestly say that I had no idea just how terrible it was before reading this work.
I've always been critical of Israel, it's manipulation of my own government and it's (and our) treatment of the palestinians. Now I am perhaps even more critical.
I understand a little more why jamester was so upset with one of my Nazi references in an earlier argument with MBreqs some time ago. I still stand by that assertion though.
..sigh... It's about the mindset. The crimes being committed in Iraq, and around the world, are not on the same scale as those that were committed in Europe against the Jews, but they could very well be in the future. We have obviously insane "pundits" here like Anne Coulter telling a Jewish interviewer that "Jews are imperfect, they just need to be converted" on national television. We have thousands, millions of people that follow this woman. She lectures at respected universities, introduced as a "leading right wing intellectual" and calls for my government to Nuke Iran. And she is just one of many. We have war profiteers. We have "pro life pro-war" "christians" that see muslims as the enemy out to destroy our way of life, and somehow not human. I know intelligent people, extremely talented artists who are of this mindset.
And we remember that there was another group of people who were seen as the enemy of civilization and less than human not so long ago, and that Adolph Hitler and the Nazi party started out as a fringe movement, with a hundred or so members not so long ago. That this movement grew more and more popular, through the use of clever propoganda and in the face of ecoomic crisis until this fringe movement suddenly held the majority of seats in parliment, until this man was suddenly president.
Is that alarmist? Maybe. But is it such a stretch to think that it could possibly happen again, to a different group of people, on an even larger scale? Exactly what is there to prevent it? The constitution? Checks and balances?
What I am saying is isn't it civilizations duty, our duty as moral human beings to be constantly vigilant of such things?
...sigh... sorry for the rant. Some people choose
not to care, I just choose
to care and I have come to the point that I have little respect for those who either support or are indifferent to the death, suffering and misery that we are inflicting on people in other parts of the world on a daily basis.
Someone above suggested that Breqs is the only one that is actually doing something to support his own position. That is quite an unimformed statement. For some people web forums may be the only place that they discuss politics and social issues, but for some of us it is a driving, dominating force and just because we do not duscuss any partiular actions or movements that we may be involved in does not mean we are not involved outside of this forum. Here's a hint, you aren't going to see much about the anti-war movement on your television, radio or news papers.
