Do any of you actually have any real musical talent?

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:45 am

aisling wrote:
Tone Deft wrote:

I think I need a session with therapy cat.

roby · Post by **roby** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:52 am

Remember that scene in the South Park movie when Terence and Philip are farting melodies out of their ass?
..That's my talent

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:56 am

creative talent is not rewarded by mainstream capitalism as far as I can tell. Selling coke and having good oral skills is how to 'make a mark on pop culture' if you really want to do such a thing.

The world is full of creatively musically talented individuals, but life isn't 'fair' like the movies. Some talented people live in a 6 foot by 5 foot shack along with 12 kids and they scrape by for money. The talented kid doesn't makes it big, the lucky one does.

People can be talented and get nowhere, people can work like bastards and get nowhere, people can have both and get nowhere ... but maybe, just maybe you happen to live in a certain country where the climate is just right and the work is OK and you know a guy who introduces you to a fella who knows a man who ... etc. Just plain luck.
But anyone making a mark that way will tell you it was their hard work or their talent, but that are merely the requisites, not the causes of success.

After you have been in this business for a while you will meet loads of session players who have playing talent coming out of their arse but will never be remembered.
You will meet amazing composers who are so mentally unstable that they can never get it all together. You will meet people who were hard working and talented, made a mark and then fell from grace / out of fashion and are now doing a Masters Degree in seriously quiet life. The person that lives next door to them doesn't know who the hell they are, or care at all.

you see, it's all relative.
One mans talented is another mans talentless. You say underworld are amazing, they very likely think they are average. My dad is an amazing classical guitarist, really top quality, yet I can guarantee that this sentence is about as famous as he will ever get. Unless he kills again of course

Anubis · Post by **Anubis** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:03 am

I could'a been a contender...

forge · Post by **forge** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:08 am

aisling wrote:I often ask my self if I am just deceiving my self with delusions of grandeur in music production .......

there's your problem right there - there is no grandeur in music

do it for the love of it

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:09 am

Angstrom wrote:creative talent is not rewarded by mainstream capitalism as far as I can tell. Selling coke and having good oral skills is how to 'make a mark on pop culture' if you really want to do such a thing.

you never SAW the Paris Hilton sex tape, did you. after that performance I'm surprised Adonis is still into her.

My dad is an amazing classical guitarist, really top quality, yet I can guarantee that this sentence is about as famous as he will ever get. Unless he kills again of course

didn't Manson play guitar?

it pisses me off that musicians and teachers are so undervalued in society.

forge · Post by **forge** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:18 am

Tone Deft wrote: it pisses me off that musicians and teachers are so undervalued in society.

no see this is where I think musicians get it wrong

I think musicians OVERvalue themselves or their industry due to the big bad media and the bar being set to "star"

my 70 year old uncle has spent most of his life as a singer/entertainer and they have a really nice home which they own, 2 nice cars, a boat...never had to go without and they seem pretty happy

it is this "hit" mentality where we think if we're not rock god then we have failed that fucks it for most musicians - the bar is set too high so we all think we have to aim for the top

do your music for the love of it and you can also find plenty of ways to make it pay your way if you really want it to - it's just like any self employed work, a bit shaky, sometimes up and down - but if you're prepared to do the shit with the good stuff then you can earn a living - people do it all the time

this is why I' m thinking of getting gigging again - only working on the weekends at evenings is pretty appealing, - my missus gets for 2 gigs what I got for a full week in my last job after tax/pension etc - you then have the week to work on your magnum opus

bleepsnbreaks · Post by **bleepsnbreaks** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:26 am

For me, I dont really relate "success" and "talent" to each other a huge amount, as it relates to myself anyway.

My measure of success for me is for people to enjoy my music, not necessarily to get rich or famous from it, but to touch someone (oooo err) in some way, for someone to get some kind of positive emotional response, or just say "fvck yeah!" from the music that I create.

I certainly dont see the music I make ever making any mark on pop culture, if it does then I have totally missed the mark with what Im trying to achieve, becuase people whos lives revolve around pop culture are really not who I am aiming for, not that I really know who Im aiming for

hangar17 · Post by **hangar17** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:51 am

not really but could i have a milkshake instead?

aisling · Post by **aisling** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:35 am

ethios4 wrote:

One thing to remember is that you will probably never ever get to experience your own music the way you experience other people's music.

I like that thought, I agree wholeheartedly. Nicely stated

aisling · Post by **aisling** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:37 am

hangar17 wrote:not really but could i have a milkshake instead?

how about a meatshake instead. Or you could go over to veggie hut for a soy shake.

aisling · Post by **aisling** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:42 am

Machinesworking wrote:
aisling wrote:
Tone Deft wrote:

I think I need a session with therapy cat.

everything ok?

aisling · Post by **aisling** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:45 am

Angstrom wrote:creative talent is not rewarded by mainstream capitalism as far as I can tell. Selling coke and having good oral skills is how to 'make a mark on pop culture' if you really want to do such a thing.

The world is full of creatively musically talented individuals, but life isn't 'fair' like the movies. Some talented people live in a 6 foot by 5 foot shack along with 12 kids and they scrape by for money. The talented kid doesn't makes it big, the lucky one does.

People can be talented and get nowhere, people can work like bastards and get nowhere, people can have both and get nowhere ... but maybe, just maybe you happen to live in a certain country where the climate is just right and the work is OK and you know a guy who introduces you to a fella who knows a man who ... etc. Just plain luck.
But anyone making a mark that way will tell you it was their hard work or their talent, but that are merely the requisites, not the causes of success.

After you have been in this business for a while you will meet loads of session players who have playing talent coming out of their arse but will never be remembered.
You will meet amazing composers who are so mentally unstable that they can never get it all together. You will meet people who were hard working and talented, made a mark and then fell from grace / out of fashion and are now doing a Masters Degree in seriously quiet life. The person that lives next door to them doesn't know who the hell they are, or care at all.

you see, it's all relative.
One mans talented is another mans talentless. You say underworld are amazing, they very likely think they are average. My dad is an amazing classical guitarist, really top quality, yet I can guarantee that this sentence is about as famous as he will ever get. Unless he kills again of course

absolute poetry!

much respect!

bleepsnbreaks · Post by **bleepsnbreaks** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:45 am

aisling wrote:
ethios4 wrote:

One thing to remember is that you will probably never ever get to experience your own music the way you experience other people's music.
I like that thought, I agree wholeheartedly. Nicely stated

Yeah, totally agree, you are too "inside" with your own music, theres no mystery at all to it and you have a huge emotional attachment to it so you can never perceive it as you do other music, but at the same time it means that maybe others can perceive your music in a way that you cant, which is cool too

mcconaghy · Post by **mcconaghy** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:55 am

ethios4 wrote:One thing to remember is that you will probably never ever get to experience your own music the way you experience other people's music.

That's sig-worthy.

Do any of you actually have any real musical talent?

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