(OT) Impeachment articles introduced against Cheney

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Yes, I support Impeachment against Vice President Cheney
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Post by subterFUSE » Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:43 pm

smutek wrote:
Librado wrote:Does anyone have a link to a page where it tells you word for word what to say to your rep? if you don't say it perfectly they disregard your call all together, especially my rep who is either the sister of one of the main people at center of the seqoia voting scandal or is the person herself. I hate florida.
My representative is Dutch Ruppersberger (D) MD. This is what I said when I called.

***ring ring***

--- Hello, Dutch Ruppersbergers office

"Hi, my name is James Smutek, I am a registered democrat in Maryland and congressman Ruppersberger is my representative."

--- Okay, how can I help you.

"I am calling to urge congressman Ruppersberger to support HR 333, impeachment of the vice president."

---Okay, if you ccould just spell your name for me, and give me your address.

I gave it them.

--- Thanks you very much, I will pass your message on to the congressman.

"Thank you, please let the congressman know that we expect his full support on this."

--- I will, and thank you for calling.

"thanks, bye."

That's it, took about a minute.

:lol:


Yeah. And the woman on the other end of the call was holding the phone to hear ear with her shoulder while filing her nails. Nothing got written down. Nothing got handed to the congressman. :roll:
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Post by smutek » Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:03 pm

Just call for petes sake!

8)

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Post by subterFUSE » Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:14 pm

smutek wrote:Just call for petes sake!

8)

No thanks. Posting in this forum is an even more valuable waste of my work time than that. :roll:

Besides, I would ask them not to support impeachment if I did call. Kucinich is a nut. An entertaining nut, granted.... but still a nut. :wink:
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Post by Tone Deft » Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:18 pm

subterFUSE wrote:
smutek wrote:Just call for petes sake!

8)

No thanks. Posting in this forum is an even more valuable waste of my work time than that. :roll:

Besides, I would ask them not to support impeachment if I did call. Kucinich is a nut. An entertaining nut, granted.... but still a nut. :wink:
...and Cheney is a what?
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Post by smutek » Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:33 pm

Tone Deft wrote:
subterFUSE wrote:
smutek wrote:Just call for petes sake!

8)

No thanks. Posting in this forum is an even more valuable waste of my work time than that. :roll:

Besides, I would ask them not to support impeachment if I did call. Kucinich is a nut. An entertaining nut, granted.... but still a nut. :wink:
...and Cheney is a what?
A murderer, a war criminal and a traitor for starters.

:wink:

Regarding the idea of impeachment serving as a diversion to a potential attack against Iran, below is an excerpt from one article written by a group of former intelligence officers called VIPS - Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity - and Dr. Justin Frank MD.

I found the article to be an interesting read, it's title is "Dangers of a Cornered George Bush". It is an "at a distance leader personality assessment", or a psychoanalysis, of George Bush that tries to predict how he may respond to various scenarios conducted jointly by members of VIPS and Dr. Frank.

Don't take it as fact, obviously, because it is an analysis but it is an interesting read. The excerpt regarding impeachment as a deterrent is below and the link to the article in its entirety follows:



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Dangers of a Cornered George Bush
By Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity & Dr. Justin Frank 7/27/07
(excerpt)


Impeachment hearings, though, could encourage senior officers like Admiral Fallon to pause long enough to remember that their oath is to defend the Constitution, and that they are not required to follow orders to start another war in order to stave off political and personal disaster for the president and vice president.

But What if Impeachment Begins?


Is there nothing to rein in Bush and Cheney? It seems likely that only if impeachment proceedings were under way would senior officers like CENTCOM commander, Admiral William Fallon, be likely to parry an unlawful order to start yet another war without the approval of Congress and the UN.

With impeachment under way, such senior officers might be reminded that all officers and national security officials swear an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States—NOT to protect and defend the president.

It was a highly revealing moment when on July 11, former White House political director Sara Taylor solemnly reminded the Senate Judiciary Committee, that as a commissioned officer, “I took an oath and I take that oath to the president very seriously.”

Committee chair Patrick Leahy had to remind Taylor: “We understand your personal loyalty to President Bush. I appreciate you correcting that your oath was not to the president, but to the Constitution.”

The most senior officers, military included, can get their loyalties mixed up. And this is of transcendent importance in a context described by Seymour Hersh: “These guys are scary as hell...you can’t use the word ‘delusional,’ for it’s actually a medical term. Wacky. That’s a fair word.”

One does not need psychoanalytic training to see that Bush and Cheney do not care about facts, treaties (or the lack thereof), or other legal niceties, unless it suits their purpose. This gives an even more ominous ring to what Hersh is hearing from his sources.

If Israel attacks Iran, President Bush is likely to spring to Israel’s defense, regardless of whether he was inside or outside the loop before the attack; and the world will see a dangerously widened war in the Middle East.

Psychologically, Bush would almost certainly need to join the attack, mainly to sustain his illusion of safety and masculinity. And Cheney, knowing that, would be pushing him hard on U.S. energy and other perceived strategic interests.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e18081.htm

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Post by forge » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:26 am

sqook wrote:...but I think that the current state of American politics is much more deeply fucked up and won't be fixed by replacing the idiots in charge. I am very much not looking forward to the early months of 2009, after the optimistic democrats will almost certainly take the oval office, and then become the whipping boy for the failures of the current administration. It's not gonna be pretty when reality really sinks, in... and by that, I mean, the reality that America's problems are much greater than Bush and his cronies at the helm.
while doing an essay the other night I ended up reading a little about American independence and the timing of it - constitution being influenced by the enlightenment philosophers - "we the people" and all that

and I was really thinking just how sad and enraged I'd feel to be American right now - it really did get off to such a good start and show so much promise

Bush getting in really proved to you that you live in a Plutocracy and not a democracy

you know that bit about "right to bear arms" - this is the sort of shit it was for - if tyrants take office and start shitting all over the constitution then you are meant to have a revolution and kick the bastards out

of course, this isnt 1776 so you wouldnt get too far against them - but that's what that bill was about - not getting caught out and fucked over - it was put there to guard against the British when they had an Empire but these Neo-cons are no different - Imperial, war hungry bigots

instead it gets used to allow nut jobs shoot up high schools

I think impeaching ALL of them is the least you can do

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Post by Tone Deft » Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:05 am

forge wrote:
sqook wrote:...but I think that the current state of American politics is much more deeply fucked up and won't be fixed by replacing the idiots in charge. I am very much not looking forward to the early months of 2009, after the optimistic democrats will almost certainly take the oval office, and then become the whipping boy for the failures of the current administration. It's not gonna be pretty when reality really sinks, in... and by that, I mean, the reality that America's problems are much greater than Bush and his cronies at the helm.
while doing an essay the other night I ended up reading a little about American independence and the timing of it - constitution being influenced by the enlightenment philosophers - "we the people" and all that

and I was really thinking just how sad and enraged I'd feel to be American right now - it really did get off to such a good start and show so much promise

Bush getting in really proved to you that you live in a Plutocracy and not a democracy

you know that bit about "right to bear arms" - this is the sort of shit it was for - if tyrants take office and start shitting all over the constitution then you are meant to have a revolution and kick the bastards out

of course, this isnt 1776 so you wouldnt get too far against them - but that's what that bill was about - not getting caught out and fucked over - it was put there to guard against the British when they had an Empire but these Neo-cons are no different - Imperial, war hungry bigots

instead it gets used to allow nut jobs shoot up high schools

I think impeaching ALL of them is the least you can do
don't forget that America was founded by slave owning rich white men who didn't want to pay their taxes. we've always been mad, we're the only country to ever use 'the Bomb' in anger. sweet dreams.
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Post by ethios4 » Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:15 am

forge wrote:and I was really thinking just how sad and enraged I'd feel to be American right now - it really did get off to such a good start and show so much promise
The US is a paradox indeed. Just like anything, it's never been all good or all bad. It was founded with such lofty ideals on the blood and land of the native peoples. Some would say that America has lost its way because it has stopped following the Constitution. Thus, having a strict Constitutionalist in office is essential to getting this thing better, regardless of how painful it may be. The alternative will be far worse for everybody...

Then again, everything moves in cycles, and there's nothing you can hold for very long...

I like to end sentences in elipses...

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Post by glu » Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:40 am

Tone Deft wrote:
forge wrote:
sqook wrote:...but I think that the current state of American politics is much more deeply fucked up and won't be fixed by replacing the idiots in charge. I am very much not looking forward to the early months of 2009, after the optimistic democrats will almost certainly take the oval office, and then become the whipping boy for the failures of the current administration. It's not gonna be pretty when reality really sinks, in... and by that, I mean, the reality that America's problems are much greater than Bush and his cronies at the helm.
while doing an essay the other night I ended up reading a little about American independence and the timing of it - constitution being influenced by the enlightenment philosophers - "we the people" and all that

and I was really thinking just how sad and enraged I'd feel to be American right now - it really did get off to such a good start and show so much promise

Bush getting in really proved to you that you live in a Plutocracy and not a democracy

you know that bit about "right to bear arms" - this is the sort of shit it was for - if tyrants take office and start shitting all over the constitution then you are meant to have a revolution and kick the bastards out

of course, this isnt 1776 so you wouldnt get too far against them - but that's what that bill was about - not getting caught out and fucked over - it was put there to guard against the British when they had an Empire but these Neo-cons are no different - Imperial, war hungry bigots

instead it gets used to allow nut jobs shoot up high schools

I think impeaching ALL of them is the least you can do
don't forget that America was founded by slave owning rich white men who didn't want to pay their taxes. we've always been mad, we're the only country to ever use 'the Bomb' in anger. sweet dreams.
all too sadly true, but at least it's comforting to know (for humanity sake) that all empires divide and/or collapse. History can be a little comforting sometimes!
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Post by luv2spin31 » Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:08 pm

now what about Bush?
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Post by nowtime » Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:46 pm

Just called. My representative is supporting it and so is one of my Senators (Boxer).

Of course this IS California. But hopefully this will go somewhere. It's kinda pitiful that 4 minutes of phone calls is all I seem to be willing to do for this... :oops:

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Post by chrysalis33rpm » Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:45 pm

Just called. Thank you smutek. Am now forwarding the links to over a hundred people.

Why can I find no coverage of this, even on Salon.com?

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Post by nowtime » Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:11 pm

luv2spin31 wrote:now what about Bush?

ooooooh! luv2spin; I like your signature. where's that from?

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Post by forge » Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:25 pm

chrysalis33rpm wrote:Just called. Thank you smutek. Am now forwarding the links to over a hundred people.

Why can I find no coverage of this, even on Salon.com?
there's hundreds of groups on facebook with hundreds of thousands of members anit-bush - I'm sure most of them know, but maybe it wouldnt hurt to post some links and numbers on some of them?

the first one "I bet I can find 1,000,000 people who dislike George Bush!" now has over half a million members:
http://www.facebook.com/search_redirect ... =200000010

http://www.facebook.com/search_redirect ... =200000010

http://www.facebook.com/search_redirect ... =200000010

http://www.facebook.com/search_redirect ... =200000010


there is a "I bet I can find a million who like Bush" and it has 2608 members! :lol: :lol: :lol:


why not get the impeach one going:
http://www.facebook.com/search_redirect ... =200000010

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Post by Librado » Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:16 am

I called. Ive signed every impeachment petition ive seen in the past three years on cheney,bush and rumsfield. i even use to go protest every friday but had to stop because they passed a law saying they can repossess all your property if you use violence or "perceived" to use the threat of violence in an act to stop the war effort or the stabilization of iraq or aided in any way a group who did so and two of the groups i supported were labeled "terrorist" groups by this administration. its funny abunch of old and mostly disabled vietnam vets who were so pacifistic they wouldnt kill a fly are called terrorists.....I know it was a long long shot that they would take anything from me but i have too much to lose. Im open to finding new groups now though.

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